Requesting unlock of Banshee Chase Distance Thread

[FiSH]

i said that they are good at pew pew, not that their dps is higher (as implied by "they have more pew pew"). obviously there is a difference between those two statements.

this is getting off topic, so let's stop talking about IG please?

[Dark Riku]

Could you just fucking stop with it? Everytime I say that shees aren't OP you call me a troll
Yeah, because everything is squishy and costs 40 req to reinforce per model.

Stop it with your lies already! Everyone knows you are one big troll.
I am not calling you a troll for no saying banshees are OP all the time.
This forum isn't supposed to be your private therapy. Stop wasting everyone's time.

which is why you need to pressure them with your HI units at the front to reduce bleed, which is why 2x tacs can do amazingly against eldar - pressure at the cost of 0 bleed.

How are they gonna do anything vs a shurycan or rangers?
Not to mention lying about the bleed.

You have a hero, all three of which are fairly competent in melee.

Are you serious...? °_O

The thing is you're likely going to get to t2 first, you spend very little power compared to what the eldar must, yet you bleed the eldar far more and end up with equal or even superior map control.

You're not likely to be first T2 at all. Do you even realize when you have gens up with that build? While the Eldar can have 2 gens up immediately?

Non of your SM-Eldar examples make any sense. Why drag SM's into this anyway?
Unless you assume that the Eldar player is floating insane amounts of unused resources, isn't capping and in general is a worse player than the SM one.

[Torpid]

which is why you need to pressure them with your HI units at the front to reduce bleed, which is why 2x tacs can do amazingly against eldar - pressure at the cost of 0 bleed.

How are they gonna do anything vs a shurycan or rangers? Not to mention lying about the bleed.

Can you stop with the emotive language please "lying about bleed". The SM has a significant window of opportunity to deal with anything that could cause bleed - rangers or banshees rangers won't kill a model instantly off of tacs/asm and they're leading in this build. If the rangers are elsewhere then that's great because it means your tacs are relatively unhindered and shees can't go near asm with 2x tac+hero support, even with a MWB WL nearby. the shuriken is very easily out-maneuvered, flanking and dealt with with simple ranged fire, nades and then the ASM when they get out. If guardians, eldar heroes (bar the WSE with filament) or shurikens bleed tac/asm models then it's your fault, not the eldar's, it really shouldn't happen.

You have a hero, all three of which are fairly competent in melee.

Are you serious...? °_O

Of course, I was responding to the comment about wraithguard. If he has wraithguard or reapers then a melee weapon on your apo/TM is very viable, of course it's not wise otherwise, but in that scenario, the one I was specifically referencing, it works.

The thing is you're likely going to get to t2 first, you spend very little power compared to what the eldar must, yet you bleed the eldar far more and end up with equal or even superior map control.

You're not likely to be first T2 at all. Do you even realize when you have gens up with that build? While the Eldar can have 2 gens up immediately?

Yes, yes I do, and I also realise that the eldar can't commit to fights else they bleed disproportionately and that this build means that if they don't commit to fights they lose their farm and potential map control.

You know I'm not trying to say that this build is flawless, it certainly isn't, but similarly, it certainly is viable. It works better on the smaller maps as it is easier to pressure their gen farm, bleed them and tacs spend less time healing in base. Nonetheless you still go 2x scouts vs IG don't you Riku? You know people just have different playstyles, there isn't only one way to play this game, there is no objective best build, because different people and their playstyles end up accommodating different builds better than others. All the more reasons to understand why people can and will disagree with you, at least when the balance is not completely blatant, like for example sentinels compared to guardsmen.

[Nuclear Arbitor]

i think it took about a page and a half before the thread was derailed.

[Dark Riku]

Nonetheless you still go 2x scouts vs IG don't you Riku?

I'm so fucking sick of you. No I do not go dual scouts vs IG. I never do. I actually encourage people not to go for a 2nd scout but mention they can try since I know some people like to do so and perhaps get a sniper to pressure a sent.

If people wouldn't come with false information and widening the topic all the time a thread might stay on course for once. Sadly most people aren't very bright.

[Torpid]

Nonetheless you still go 2x scouts vs IG don't you Riku?

I'm so fucking sick of you. No I do not go dual scouts vs IG. I never do. I actually encourage people not to go for a 2nd scout but mention they can try since I know some people like to do so and perhaps get a sniper to pressure a sent.

If people wouldn't come with false information and widening the topic all the time a thread might stay on course for once. Sadly most people aren't very bright.

It's hard to remember what you do when you haven't played SM in 1v1 for so long and I never play with you myself :S

[Codex]

Hey guys let's keep the hostility to a minimum please. We are keeping an eye on this thread and we wouldn't want to have to lock it again so soon.

[Dark Riku]

It's hard to remember what you do when you haven't played SM in 1v1 for so long and I never play with you myself :S

You just can't stop this now do you? I haven't played SM in 1v1 anymore?
You must know more than I know about myself then!

Grow some balls and challenge me to a 1v1! Told you so many times already!


It really doesn't matter that this thread gets locked or not.
It's just gonna be monkeys throwing feces to other monkeys again.

[Torpid]

It's hard to remember what you do when you haven't played SM in 1v1 for so long and I never play with you myself :S

You just can't stop this now do you? I haven't played SM in 1v1 anymore?
You must know more than I know about myself then!

Riku, surely you know I didn't mean that, maybe that was my fault for wording it weirdly, but when I said "and I never play with you myself" I was implying that I haven't seen you play SM in ages because I only would see you doing so in tournaments/uploaded games due to my not playing with you. You haven't played SM in ages in tournaments, nor have I seen many games of your SM in 1v1 uploaded to GR recently. I'm not going to make the ridiculous claim that somehow I know exactly what you have and haven't played all around. Granted that was poor English on my behalf, but surely you could have deduced that I'm not that retarded?

Grow some balls and challenge me to a 1v1! Told you so many times already!

I think you misunderstand, I don't like you, I don't want to associate with you in anyway, but unfortunately this forum forces that association.

It really doesn't matter that this thread gets locked or not.
It's just gonna be monkeys throwing feces to other monkeys again.

This, we saw how this thread opened up, it clearly isn't going to go anywhere.

[Dark Riku]

but surely you could have deduced that I'm not that retarded?

It's the only deduction possible!!

Grow some balls and challenge me to a 1v1! Told you so many times already!

I think you misunderstand, I don't like you, I don't want to associate with you in anyway, but unfortunately this forum forces that association.

No balls it is. Coming from a guy that claims to be "good" and scolds at newer players. How low can you go?

It really doesn't matter that this thread gets locked or not.
It's just gonna be monkeys throwing feces to other monkeys again.

This, we saw how this thread opened up, it clearly isn't going to go anywhere.

Finally! You are agreeing that you are the problem. Now go work on it!

[Codex]

but unfortunately this forum forces that association.

Well, no, no it really doesn't. If we have to we can and will keep you guys separate.

Torpid, imo Riku has been fanning the flames but frankly since you claim to want to have nothing to do with Riku, it seems odd to me that you are so presumptuous about the way that he plays/ goes about things etc. Like

If people wouldn't come with false information

I've seen this before and it does happen. If you don't know, don't presume. Just ask him and pose it in hypotheticals, it would make things so much easier.

MEANWHILE

Riku, calm down. You're not really innocent with regards to derailing either.

Anyway, I've yet to be convinced by this 2 tacs ASM build. So unless someone can show me a replay (or better still, just beat me with this build), then I can see it in action. In the meantime, I'm going to reserve my judgement.

i think it took about a page and a half before the thread was derailed.

QFT.

Thread locked.