Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

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Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby appiah4 » Mon 10 Feb, 2014 12:16 pm

I can't play worth a damn with this HQ despite not being bad with the Mek and the Warboss. I can't seem to make any use out of his wargears, his globals, and he tends to spend majority of my games dead.

Is he UP? Am I doing something wrong? I don't see him played much either, which is a shame, he looks like he could be a lot of fun?
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Re: Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby David-CZ » Mon 10 Feb, 2014 1:05 pm

Personally I think it's really about the player's playstyle preferences.

Regarding his weapons, I think all of them are great. The knife against HI, shotgun is devastating against blobby races and he can take out tanks with the rocket louncher quite easily since he can stay infiltrated practically all the time by T3.

I'm not so sure about his armors though and usually get them as the last wargear and except stickbombs I can't recall what gear he's got. Someone more knowledgable than me will hopefully let us know.

Out of all his globals Hide the Boyz or what's it called is my favorite since you can use it to flank HWT, cap VP or sneak with your sluggas for some gen-bashing. Or simply make your army look less threatening surprising your opponent with something like Nobs.

Finally if there's no better place for him to be he's great at capping especially in team games.

I'm far from the top players but I hope my opinion helps you a bit.
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Re: Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby FiSH » Mon 10 Feb, 2014 1:27 pm

His globals are definitely underwhelming compared to the other Ork heroes, which is why Knob players tend to use Waagh - and Weirdboy abiltiies thanks to the mana regen - more often.
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Re: Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby Kvek » Mon 10 Feb, 2014 1:30 pm

Knob and UP ?He counters setup teams just with his bombs, he has a freaking awesome gun and ashashuns knife is a god send, since it counters enemy heroes pretty easy and can snipe models and there's more.
And his globals are awesome, 300 req for such a great unit like kommandos, Hide Da Boys=On demand infiltration that can save your ass many times pretty easily and then there are these two globals (CDB, Rokz)

And he's pretty stupidly overpowered vs IG/Eldar imo
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Re: Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby Asmon » Mon 10 Feb, 2014 2:27 pm

He shines vs Eldar IG and nids, suffers the most vs SM I guess. His default abilities allow him to go through T1 without any wargear purchase, which is quite rare for a hero.
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Re: Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby Kvek » Mon 10 Feb, 2014 2:40 pm

I don't think he has problems with SM because of the painboy, The painboy is a viable counter to asms, especially with the knife(ye i know, you get knife and less ranged to focus these damned shotgun scouts) and devs are a bleh purchase vs him because of the smoke bomb.
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Re: Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby Tex » Mon 10 Feb, 2014 3:16 pm

I gotta say, I do miss T2 kommando call in...

But, now that the knife is super strong, the knob actually has a chance against commanders that used to beat him around so badly. (obviously I think the knife should cost a touch more for what it does, but it is definitely essential to knob play in this meta)

I'm of the opinion that the knob is actually pretty well balanced. He has clear strengths and clear weaknesses.

What he does require however (to play at a high level) is great game awareness and an understanding of unit matchups on the map. An example of this could be simply put that normally against SM, you use your hero and sluggas against tacs, but in the case of the knob, he needs to constantly be hunting scouts in t1 and he normally engages tacs with hide da boyz on sluggas.
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Re: Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby appiah4 » Mon 10 Feb, 2014 3:22 pm

I'll try that tonight, thanks Tex.
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Re: Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby Torpid » Mon 10 Feb, 2014 4:03 pm

What. He's the strongest of the three ork heroes. That knife is just broken. AWD -> stun bomb is stupid, as is AWD into stikks vs stuff like tics. They get a barbed strangler and you can insta counter it with knife by stunning the lead model and tying it up and all of the KN's retail counters are made redundant by the fact that the painboy exists so you don't need to use your hero to help vs jump squads.

He forces them to waste power on detection and he has the strongest natural suppression counter outside of infiltration. Hide da boyz is an awesome global, easily as good as more dakka in 1v1, although I imagine it's much less useful in teams as everything is so tight.
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Re: Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby Vapor » Mon 10 Feb, 2014 6:44 pm

I think the responses show that the knob is at the very least not UP. You might want to make a thread in general discussion if you're just looking for advice on how to play him. He's definitely one of the funnest heroes in the game.
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Re: Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby David-CZ » Mon 10 Feb, 2014 7:10 pm

fv100 wrote:He's definitely one of the funnest heroes in the game.

Yeah, especially when blowing himself up in your face with some explosives :)
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Re: Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby ThongSong » Tue 11 Feb, 2014 3:34 am

Im actually more frightened of the Knob than anything else. his stun bomb is undodgeable with AWT. he can instagib squads with his cluster, or whatever, nades. his default twin-linked shoota drops scout models in pretty much 2 bursts. his knife is murder against marines. he can instantly counter setup teams without any wargear purchases. and if you play as GK, his shotgun will be instawiping stormtrooper squads if they don't have a sarge upgrade, and even then it kills all the models but the sarge.
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Re: Sit with me and let's talk some Kommando Nob..

Postby David-CZ » Tue 11 Feb, 2014 8:11 am

Infiltrated shotgun blast into some stickbommaz combo can be it for most LI.

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