Random Small Balance Issues

[FiSH]

I didn't want to create multiple threads because these balance issues are (in my opinion) minor.

1. Zoanthrope's Focused Warp Blast cooldown
Snare wears off? No problem, have another snare.
Honestly, I don't understand such a low cooldown on such a long-range ability on an excellent anti-infantry unit.
Suggestion: increase cooldown from 15 seconds to 20 (or even 25)

2. Melta+las cannon shot immobilizes vehicles
The snares should honestly not stack IMO.
EDIT: as Tex pointed out, 2x melta bombs also.
Moreover, I've seen Focused warp blast + haywire grenade immobilizing vehicles.

3. Base healing aura stacking
This just gives power armor races unfair advantages on certain team game maps where allied bases are close together (because they are less likely to lose models and just heal 2x fast).

[Tex]

2x melta bombs also immobilizes vehicles. Double snaring is complete bullshit.

[Nuclear Arbitor]

assuming something survives, i wonder what double eldritch does... i have a suspicion it makes them super speed

[ThongSong]

I'm okay with the zoan's snare, as that's their only snare pretty much and their t2 av options are pretty much restricted to the tyrant guard, warriors, and their commanders. a cooldown increase might be in order though

I have more beef with warpsider haywire grenades completely disabling a vehicle's weapons, when no other anti-tank grenades do that. does eldar already have a so many AV options, fire dragons, brightlances, wraithlord, to some extent banshees, a heavy melee teleporting commander, etc etc. that I think disabling a vehicle's weapons AND snaring it is a bit overkill

[appiah4]

The Tyranid T2 has Venom Cannon Broods which IMO are the best AV infantry in the game (good accuracy and damage against infantry, ranged synapes (HUGE!), fire on the move with no setup, heavy armor and great damage? Hell yeah, I'll have some) and make a joke out of transport play. Tyranids DON't need constant vehicle snare. The cooldown should be 25 secs minimum, or the snare should be much shorter.

[David-CZ]

I have more beef with warpsider haywire grenades completely disabling a vehicle's weapons, when no other anti-tank grenades do that. does eldar already have a so many AV options, fire dragons, brightlances, wraithlord, to some extent banshees, a heavy melee teleporting commander, etc etc. that I think disabling a vehicle's weapons AND snaring it is a bit overkill

I think the reason why it disables weapons is because of how squishy Eldar models are and because they had way less AV options back in vanilla. Although it hurts my poor Eldar I think reworking the haywire into a melta bomb may be approtriate.

Also I agree with appiah4's statemet about Venom Brood.

[Sub_Zero]

Iterceptor's AV-bomb does disable a vehicle's weaponry either. And you know why it is like that? Because both eldar and grey knights have power melee units with leaders that do heavy melee. And they pretty much need that disabling to be able to deal their damage to dangerous walkers. At least that is how I see it.

Zoan could use a nerf. I agree with it.

The base aura healing issue might be fixed as well =)

[sk4zi]

the Eldars whapon diasble on the Haywire is just a relic of old days when eldar had not so good AV (actually they had the Haywire and the Brightlance to seal the deal - nothing else)
due to the issue Eldar had only setup av whereas all other races had non-setup AV it was fair that their grenades were better.

at this days Space marines had no snare with the Rocket launcher and the only snare were the ASM´s melta bomb

now that eldars AV is buffed to the heaven there is no more reason for that.

Grey knights dont have this history and so its ridiculous at all why they have a completley disabling grenade which is also AE ...

[Bahamut]

2x melta bombs also immobilizes vehicles. Double snaring is complete bullshit.

double snaring is no longer possible for thropes. Also snare lats 10 seconds, with 15 seconds cooldown. I really dont see why is that OP, it's up 2/3s of the time, not always as people say

[Vapor]

2x melta bombs also immobilizes vehicles. Double snaring is complete bullshit.

double snaring is no longer possible.

Yes it is?

[appiah4]

2x melta bombs also immobilizes vehicles. Double snaring is complete bullshit.

double snaring is no longer possible.

Yes it is?

I believe that works for different weapon types now, i.e. haywire + meltabomb, zoanthrope + Lascannon etc.

[Bahamut]

I believe that works for different weapon types now, i.e. haywire + meltabomb, zoanthrope + Lascannon etc.

That works yes, but other weapons snare stack with each other, like melta bombs, and zoanthrope snare used to stack with itself in retail, but that was changed in elite so you can't no longer double thrope's snare for 100% movement impairment

[Flash]

Edit: deleted
Ignore the dumb comment.

[Tex]

I can say without a doubt that 2x melta bombs will stop any vehicle right in its tracks

[Nuclear Arbitor]

i'd rather the damage was removed from haywire before the snares were changed.

[ThongSong]

^ agree. imo if it disables a vehicle's weapons completely, it should pack less of a punch than a grenade that just snares a vehicle. right now 2 haywire grenades will pretty much spell the death sentence for any transport/tank. even if it survives the greandes, it's dead meat because of the double snare immobilizing it. I doubt even if its weapons could fire it would make a huge difference

[Dark Riku]

i'd rather the damage was removed from haywire before the snares were changed.

The haywire just seems to do too much. Something I suggested a long time ago:
Keep the disable weapons, keep the snare, reduce (/remove?) the damage.

[ThongSong]

I just realized that the entirety of eldar's t2 consists of either hard or soft AV. reminds me of vanilla chaos

Dark reapers inferno damage, (very) soft av

fire dragons, melta hard av

wraithlord, (very) hard av with its ungodly brightlance and fhuge wraithsword

falcon soft av with its pewpew laser

brightlance weapons platform

warpspiders and their haywire grenades.

wraithguard, hard av if they can actually hit what they are aiming at.

banshee exarch with her huge spear

and then in t3, they have:

the mother of all super-tank killing nukes

dcannons which instantly hit their targets

fire prisms

avatar

autarch with fusion gun

[Atlas]

...you know when you put it like that I dunno, maybe. But it's not like you can get all of that in a game.

[Nuclear Arbitor]

thinking about it a bit, making haywire grenade do no damage might actually be a good thing. it's a huge fluff transgression but we already have plenty of those and it would prevent WS spam from being able to counter all vehicles with the damage from multiple grenades. if memory serves three of them are capable of taking out a walker with their grenades and they do a shit ton of damage to infantry.

[Asmon]

How could 3 haywires take down a walker? Or you mean by throwing them one by one, right as the effect wears off? With 120 damage per nade it would take a while though.

[Nuclear Arbitor]

thought it did more than that but i'm probably misremembering either way. it's still very it does work against transports though; especially with another source to tip it over the edge.

[ThongSong]

because of the instant teleport it's pretty much impossible to avoid rear armour grenades against warspiders. double warpspider grenades on a transport's rear and if it's not dead, banshees will make sure of it

[David-CZ]

Rear armor hit with haywire and melta? I thought only frag and plasma (is it?) granades can hit rear armor since they're not targetable. Exceptions being Orbs of the Omnissiah.

[Dark Riku]

Rear armor hit with haywire and melta?

Yes. Depending on where the units stand when it is thrown.

[Nuclear Arbitor]

yeah, it's certainly possible. sometimes the grenade will fly over the front and do rear armour damage. seems a bit random when it happens.

[ThongSong]

also possible for frontal anything to do rear armour hits. it makes my heart skip a beat everytime a beamy loota gets a frontal rear-armour hit on one of my tanks.