Gonna do some wargear stuff... need suggestions.

[Wise Windu]

Adding TM axe to the list.

Can somebody please get me the cooldown on powerful sweep? It may indeed be over-performing at 20 seconds.

Its 20 seconds.And it costs 25 eng ( I think)

The cooldown is 25 seconds.

Bionics is great. I think you get roughly 2/3rds to health regen of artificers for 2/3rds the price

You get +.25 health regen, Artificer gives +.3. Prices: bionics-100/20; artificer-110/25

[Warp Dust Addict]

Adding TM axe to the list.

Can somebody please get me the cooldown on powerful sweep? It may indeed be over-performing at 20 seconds.

Its 20 seconds.And it costs 25 eng ( I think)

The cooldown is 25 seconds.

Bionics is great. I think you get roughly 2/3rds to health regen of artificers for 2/3rds the price

You get +.25 health regen, Artificer gives +.3. Prices: bionics-100/20; artificer-110/25

Ah okay then the 20 sec CD might be from my NightBlade in ESO.All my games blur together after awhile lol

[ThongSong]

I used to buy artificer for the lulz of planting mines everywhere. lead to some hilarious first engagement heretic and banshee wipes at times.

but it scales rather poorly I find because later on in the game you don't really have the time to be planting mines down everywhere when the techmarine's time is better spent shooting stuff to death or repairing dreads.

I do like his axe very much, and I've had varying degrees of success with it. but generally it is a bit underwhelming as it has to compete with the awesome meltagun and plasma gun, or even his bolter for that matter

[Tex]

Artificer scales very well IMO. Those mines do nasty damage and you can use them to protect the flanks of your setup teams (you just need to keep your TM very busy). Also, if I want to lock down a third of the map with my TM solo, I almost always pick artificer armor. The mines completely shutdown melee other than AC tics, and the regen in green cover makes him a nightmare to dislodge.

In regards to the axe, I'm thinking that it's basically going to be one of those wargears where you need to play in such a manner that it forces your opponent to bring the fight to your TM... Meaning that I will probably need to have a healthy amount of snipers or a whirlwind or a pdev... something that really screams BUM RUSH!@!!!

[ThongSong]

I did play one game with Don Chikkonka (or however you spell his name) where he fielded the warboss, and I felt that the mines did play a much better role in t1-t2. In t1 it pretty much nullified his capping sluggas altogether, where I could pretty much just leave 1 shotgun scout squad on guard duty at a vp and as soon as the sluggas ran over they would get bombed by the mine and my scouts could force them off.

it did work well in t2 when I managed to lure his truck into a mine that snared it and allowed my dread to lay the final smackdown on it.

Although towards the end it felt that it pretty much played no role in the bigger battles as the shootas were always on site ready to shoot up my mines, and between my techmarine taking care of my dread and trying to plasma gun nobs, he either didn't have the time nor the energy to continuously plant mines. at which point it probably would have been better for me to get signum or bionics to deal with the nobs.

I'll quite happily get them against eldar because of the fact that it forces a ranger buy.

[Kvek]

I'll quite happily get them against eldar because of the fact that it forces a ranger buy.

I thought rangers are a must vs SM :p

[Tex]

Yeah I was confused by that too. Rangers are the last thing I want to play against as SM.

[Torpid]

Only time I wouldn't mind seeing rangers is if I'm apo. Those apo-asm + sanguine really tear up rangers, especially on a small map. Thing is without rangers though you can always just go infiltration on your combat scouts and that's often an easy wipe - the ASM jump into a timely grenade on the shuri. Rangers are a must. Even with dual shuris for apo ASM you want rangers as your fifth t1 squad. Kinetic pulse is too useful as is the LoS.

[Warp Dust Addict]

Rangers make me glad I play IG.When I play 3v3 (I never play 1v1 lol) I always offer to laneswap with SM players when Eldar has a ton of rangers.Makes for some LOL moments "oh no you killed 3 of my guardsmen your bleeding me so hard"

[Kvek]

oh no, where are my spotter models ? oh no how the fuck did my sent drop down so quickly ? +kinetic shot into nades counters ogryns pretty well, so rangers aren't that bad vs ig, especially if they go for two sents

[Warp Dust Addict]

oh no, where are my spotter models ? oh no how the fuck did my sent drop down so quickly ? +kinetic shot into nades counters ogryns pretty well, so rangers aren't that bad vs ig, especially if they go for two sents

I am not saying they don't work I am just saying they cant bleed you like they can Tac/CSM's.As for taking down Sents quickly pretty much everything does that lol.Speaking of Sent's sooo sooo happy Frag's aren't useless now.

[Kvek]

oh no, where are my spotter models ? oh no how the fuck did my sent drop down so quickly ? +kinetic shot into nades counters ogryns pretty well, so rangers aren't that bad vs ig, especially if they go for two sents

I am not saying they don't work I am just saying they cant bleed you like they can Tac/CSM's.As for taking down Sents quickly pretty much everything does that lol.Speaking of Sent's sooo sooo happy Frag's aren't useless now.

Frags never were useless, they were great..
everything won't take down a sent easily, but rangers do high-burst damage..

[Warp Dust Addict]

oh no, where are my spotter models ? oh no how the fuck did my sent drop down so quickly ? +kinetic shot into nades counters ogryns pretty well, so rangers aren't that bad vs ig, especially if they go for two sents

I am not saying they don't work I am just saying they cant bleed you like they can Tac/CSM's.As for taking down Sents quickly pretty much everything does that lol.Speaking of Sent's sooo sooo happy Frag's aren't useless now.

Frags never were useless, they were great..
everything won't take down a sent easily, but rangers do high-burst damage..

?I coulda swore frags used to be the slowest things ever

[Torpid]

Use attack ground then? Now they're like zoanthropes that can counter melee, are a lot faster and better AV. Sweet!

[Warp Dust Addict]

Use attack ground then? Now they're like zoanthropes that can counter melee, are a lot faster and better AV. Sweet!

Yea now they are sweet I was talking about when the frags flew super slow.They got a speed buff awhile ago (I suck at remembering time) I think it was a few months ago

[Bahamut]

Use attack ground then? Now they're like zoanthropes that can counter melee, are a lot faster and better AV. Sweet!

so, if zoans are OP what does that say of sentinels then?

[Warp Dust Addict]

Use attack ground then? Now they're like zoanthropes that can counter melee, are a lot faster and better AV. Sweet!

so, if zoans are OP what does that say of sentinels then?

You cant even compare them...one has super long range arty and snare the other needs two upgrades to do anything and can still die super quick.Nid players need to stop complaining about how OP everything else is when they get buffed like every patch.

[Bahamut]

Use attack ground then? Now they're like zoanthropes that can counter melee, are a lot faster and better AV. Sweet!

so, if zoans are OP what does that say of sentinels then?

You cant even compare them...one has super long range arty and snare the other needs two upgrades to do anything and can still die super quick.Nid players need to stop complaining about how OP everything else is when they get buffed like every patch.

who the hell is complaining here?. It's funny how people that lack reading comprehension are always the one to talk

[Dark Riku]

You cant even compare them...one has super long range arty and snare the other needs two upgrades to do anything and can still die super quick.Nid players need to stop complaining about how OP everything else is when they get buffed like every patch.

What are you talking about? I don't even °_O Yea, Zoa is super tanky

Also: latest patch I Count 1 remake, 12 nerfs and 1 buff

[Torpid]

Personally I think the sent frag missle buff as totally unjustified. Completely out of the blue when they were performing amazing as was. Frag missle sents are practically impossible to kill when microed properly in 1v1 without snipers. They're better than zoans and given that zoans are OP, yes that does say a lot. Keeping them alive till T2 isn't that great a task either...

[Vapor]

The sent missile launcher is a nightmare as Orkz now, shootas can't dodge the frags and everything in the Ork t1/t2 seems to get countered by them except tankbustas. What do people recommend for countering dual missile sents as Orkz?

[Tex]

Mass waaagh + warpath = PUSH!!!!!!. You will have increased resistance to damage, vastly increased move speed, and increased damage. Just make sure to counter setup teams with flanking/disruption or catachans/spotters with proper spacing.

Personally, I find orkz are doing really well against IG these days.

[Kvek]

Mass waaagh + warpath = PUSH!!!!!!. You will have increased resistance to damage, vastly increased move speed, and increased damage. Just make sure to counter setup teams with flanking/disruption or catachans/spotters with proper spacing.

Personally, I find orkz are doing really well against IG these days.

I find orks OP against ig, (expect wb) unless you're fighting an inquisitor who goes two gms two sents and drops a banewolf at your power farm in t2 :S

[Sub_Zero]

As orks the best way to deal with sentinels in t1 is to lure them into a trap with infiltrated loota boyz. People really underestimate loota boyz. I personally think they are the best setup team in the game. Can infiltrate, have high burst damage, light infantry (it is a bonus), faster tear down time (the same devastators have), have insane AV damage and retain their usefullness even with the AV upgrade (can just hide near some points and cap it after your opponent steals it)

[Uncle Milty]

I didn't read the whole thread but i (again) suggest that you have a look at the Mega Book Kit of the Knob.
This wargear does imo way too much for its price. it is 100/20 and it provides with +100 health + 100 energy + 0.1 energy regen AND the bomb buffs (stun bomb effect range, stikkbomb damage, booby traps halfed cooldown, Kaboom not knocking the Knob).
I feel like only the stat boosts would be worth more than 100/20 alone.

[Vapor]

Mega boom kit is a more powerful wargear than sneaky infiltration kit IMO. Would make sense for it to be 30 power and the sneaky kit 25.

[Tex]

Okay, I will add "mega boom kit" and "sneaky kit" to the list. And tbh, I already feel the way you guys feel about these wargears.

[Warp Dust Addict]

Dat KB with Kaboom always makes me laugh.I enjoy seeing 1 or 2 random GM in the middle of nowhere going "what the hell"
On a related note can you still combo Kaboom and Over Der (or however you gits spell it)I remember people using kaboom then tossing him at a unit with WB then him landing on top of your units then Kaboom going off.It made it so you had almost 0 time to run the hell away as the setup for kaboom could be started then finish the second he landed

[Asmon]

Ofc you can still do that. Guruskippy has a few very interesting replays on GR showing this move (retail though).

[Warp Dust Addict]

Ofc you can still do that. Guruskippy has a few very interesting replays on GR showing this move (retail though).

Can you not do it in elite or what?Cause I haven't had someone do that to me in like a year or 2