Question about Nurgle Worship

[Sub_Zero]

You might have brought even more stupid examples like try to outshoot unupgraded shoota boyz if there is a level 10 warboss charging into your army.

And don't say worKship. There is no such word in English.

There was no hate from me in my previous post.

[Vapor]

I think it would be cool if it scaled with heretic lvl, as a nice reward for keeping your tics alive. There's no question that it scales worse than the other worship types.

[Bahamut]

Nurgle Workshipp needs to scale with Heretics lvls or with Tiers. Simple as this. And maybe have a better synergy with Vehicles.

Why?. you said yourself that zoan's regen synapse was too good because it was 6hp/sec at lvl 4 yet you say 4hp/sec at lvl 1 from nurgle worship is too low and it needs to scale higher? bias much?.

[sk4zi]

thats why healing more is not a good way to change it bahamut

[Nurland]

6hp/s is 50% more than 4hp/s (71% more than 3,5hp/s) and Nids have way stronger economy via other synapse bonuses, damage sharing models (I think endless swarm models share damage), cheap reinforce and upkeep/pop and great map control. Whereas Chaos is one of the economically weaker factions that struggles with map control. Not to mention Zoan does not have to go and disable itself in order to provide that bonus and the bonus affects their "vehicles" and stacks with TG shield wall and other synapses... So yeah. Zoan heal aura is way more broken than buffed Nurgay worship would be. At least in my opinion.

Nurgle worship is good in T1 but the scaling is just crap. The health regen on even infantry squads is kinda low considering T2/T3 weapons and it doesn't give anything additional to vehicles or daemons...

Nurgle shrine is great but not an autobuy (at least in 1v1, in team games shrines are generally more viable) and nurgle shrine + nurgle worship basically means that both of the heretic squads really are not doing too much and your opponen has bought a shrine so he has like 15 or more pop + upkeep and 420 req + possible and highly likely upgrades + shrine worth of resources dedicated for the heal effect so I am fine with it being quite significant...

And on a sidenote I was under the impression Zoan health regen aura worked like apo aura (it multiplies the health regen by a certain factor). In Retail at least it worked so and the factors were completely retarded but i know it has been reworked a bit in Elite. http://dow.wikia.com/wiki/Retribution/Regeneration_Synapse

[Raffa]

the scaling is just crap.

Wordsworth himself couldn't have put it better - you'll go far man.

A change to Nurgle Worship is really overdue tbh, but in fairness I've only come to realise this in the last month or so where I've given the PC some serious attention. I would go for:

T1 - 0.35 (unchanged)
T2 - 0.55
T3 - 0.75

Daemon regen changed to scale with tiers to. Previous value in brackets:

T2 - 1.4 (1.2)
T3 - 1.6 (1.2)

These are the least rad changes I can think of that would come close to balancing this. I kinda don't want to add extra things like health regen, DoT or whatever cuz it's always given health regen and as it's such a fundamental part of the PC, it should stay that way if possible.

[Wise Windu]

And on a sidenote I was under the impression Zoan health regen aura worked like apo aura (it multiplies the health regen by a certain factor). In Retail at least it worked so and the factors were completely retarded but i know it has been reworked a bit in Elite.

The old one was:
"The health regeneration of Tyranid units in radius 12 is multiplied by 4.5 / 11.25 / 28.125 / 70.3125 at veterancy level 1 / 2 / 3 / 4."
Holy shit, 70.31 multiplier. Is that actually right? A unit with .5 regen like hormas would have 35 regen .

This is what it is now:

The health regeneration of Tyranid units in radius 22 is multiplied by 3.5/5.25/7.875/11.8125 at veterancy level 1/2/3/4.

Basically, it starts with a health regen multiplier of 3.5 and then is multiplied by an additional 1.5 every level.

[Torpid]

Is this additive or multliplicative with other health regen benefits though, namely the brood nest, or is it exclusive? If so it may explain why the venom cannon/health synapse/warp field HT+ zoanthrope + brood nests + ranged blob combo is so damn strong. Also does the hp regen boost of the brood nests stack?

[Bahamut]

The old one was:
"The health regeneration of Tyranid units in radius 12 is multiplied by 4.5 / 11.25 / 28.125 / 70.3125 at veterancy level 1 / 2 / 3 / 4."
Holy shit, 70.31 multiplier. Is that actually right? A unit with .5 regen like hormas would have 35 regen .

This is what it is now:

The health regeneration of Tyranid units in radius 22 is multiplied by 3.5/5.25/7.875/11.8125 at veterancy level 1/2/3/4.

Basically, it starts with a health regen multiplier of 3.5 and then is multiplied by an additional 1.5 every level.

Yeah, in retail zoan's regen synapse was retarded good cause it was meant to be a way to repair fexes, but somehow it affected all units instead of only fexes. Elite changed it so it's now balanced for all units, at lvl is about 6hp/sec as Nikhel pointed out in another thread.

The heal synapse it's exclusive with something, i'm not sure what exactly, but it won't multiply things like regen from brood nest, only base regen. If not then you would see some stupid things like TG healing at 230 hp/sec while on cocoon

Nurgle workship is additive, that means that it's 0.5 + 3.5 = 4hp/sec per model

[Wise Windu]

Is this additive or multliplicative with other health regen benefits though, namely the brood nest, or is it exclusive? If so it may explain why the venom cannon/health synapse/warp field HT+ zoanthrope + brood nests + ranged blob combo is so damn strong. Also does the hp regen boost of the brood nests stack?

They are both exclusive, and what bahamut said is right.

The synapse has exclusive_type: tyr_synapse_effect. This means it won't stack with the HT's health synapse from his Improved Synapse or anything else with the same exclusive_type.

and the nest has exclusive_type: tp_modifier. So things like the Apo's regen aura (which has the same exclusive_type) won't stack with it.

So I'd guess, as bahamut said, the nest stacks on top of the synapse. So the synapse multiplier doesn't multiply the nest's effects.

[Bahamut]

brood nest regen modifier is also exclusive with tp_modifier, same as TG heal from cocoon. So they don't even stack

Only heal i've seen that stack with regen syanpse is HQ heal and land raider heal

[Torpid]

Well, guess I'll just have to blame endless swarm even more then.

[Wise Windu]

brood nest regen modifier is also exclusive with tp_modifier, same as TG heal from cocoon. So they don't even stack

That's what I said. Did you mean it doesn't stack with the zoan?

Edit: By the way, the reason it stacks with the LR and HQ is because those are heal actions, not modifiers.

[Bahamut]

i thought they stacked originally but i was wrong, they don't.

Wow, even RA regen armor is exclusive with tp_modifier. So not even the RA can stack regen syanpse and its regen armor..