Land raider phobos accuracy vs infantry

[Bahamut]

Dunno if it's intended or not, i should hope is not since the idea behind the LRP is to be a giant AV platform while the GUO for anti infantry duty

But the accuracy of the side sponsors of the LRP seems awfully high vs infantry, which it's IMO making the LRP almost better than the GUO at killing infantry squads. I've been watching several games where this happens and it just seems odd

Here riku loses ASM and then the libby to the LRP for example
http://youtu.be/xoV44QdAlb0?t=24m53s

I've been looking into the files and i see it's almost a copy paste weapon as the predator lasscannon and since the weapon family is brightlance_pvp i guess the only reason why it's hitting infantry so often is thanks to the radius 1 AoE?

[Torpid]

Of course it's intended, it would be absolutely useless otherwise given the poor damage for the price and general lack of mobility. The phobos is a defensive weapons platform akin to a giant D-cannon, best used to lock down VPs when the enemy has lots of mobile but squishy infantry squads, or mobile, but high DPS vehicles, such as tanks.

The great unclean one is the ultimate tank for chaos, supporting a ranged army excellently by being amazing at counter-initiation and tanking tonnes of damage for you army so that they can deal their dps without bleeding. He is all about crowd control and tanking damage. Different role nonetheless.

I've always thought the LRP was great, it's an amazing counter to fire prism spams.

[Raffa]

Casts are chosen for epicness, they're not a good reflection of balance or even player skill. Except this one ofc, it accurately shows Riku as a terribad nubcake :p

Dunno if it's intended or not, i should hope is not since the idea behind the LRP is to be a giant AV platform while the GUO for anti infantry duty

But the accuracy of the side sponsors of the LRP seems awfully high vs infantry, which it's IMO making the LRP almost better than the GUO at killing infantry squads. I've been watching several games where this happens and it just seems odd

This is intended. Otherwise the LRP would suck old lady dick for its cost. Yes it's good against vehicles and infantry, but most of the time both lascannons aren't firing at the target you want and each one does less damage than a Laspred - on your 700/180 investment.

Not to mention a Nurgling could outrun it and with only 2000 HP and no retreat beacon to get your army zooming back across the map to save it when trouble comes, that is not good news.

[Lulgrim]

I originally put 3 splash radius on the lascannons but OP was called

[Bahamut]

So it is intended. Alright then them LRP sniping powa is gudz, very gudz

[Orkfaeller]

Does it really hit any better than LasCannon Preds?

[Sub_Zero]

on your 700/180 investment.

It is 700 / 160

Does it really hit any better than LasCannon Preds?

I feel like the chaos predator with the mark of Tzeentch does that better too

[Lost Son of Nikhel]

Land Raider Phobos is essentially a slow tanky (still have the lowest HP of all Land Raiders) Chaos Predator with a bit more damage against vehicles than a MoT Chaos Predator and with the same piercing AI damage than a MoK Side Bolters.

In fact, when other Land Raider can support your troops, the poor Land Raider Phobos only have his stun/debuff and his DAKKA. And you want to take off his Dakka

I would like to see how LRP can be a good Fire Prism counter, since his slowness make him very bad chasing that unit. Not mention that any snare + Eldritch Storm combo obliterates the LRP.

[Sneery_Thug]

Does it really hit any better than LasCannon Preds?

Against infantry it is much better (obvious better vs vehicles.) It has much less hp than the guo, but the damage is very high vs everything.

[Dark Riku]

@Torpid. If you think the LRP has poor damage then every unit has poor damage -.-

it accurately shows the APO as a terribad nubcake

Fixed that for you.

the poor Land Raider Phobos only have his stun/debuff and his DAKKA.
And you want to take off his Dakka

The LRP is far from being a poor thing. Only a massive AoE stun ...

[Torpid]

Nothing you just said even added remotely to the discussion. You quote arbitrary things for no apparent reason whatsoever (at least, most certainly not in the hope of adding to the discussion), pulling them out of their context for self-justification, or something. Seriously why?

I said the LRP has poor damage for the price, especially if it was only going to be a primary AV unit. You're paying more than you would for the predator, yet it has only similar, or less damage (because both lascannons often don't shoot at the wanted target) and with much more vulnerability to certain weapons due to it's slow speed and fat shape. You have no point, the tone is totally unnecessary, the vexing emoticon on the end is completely superfluous.

Raffa was clearly joking and poking at our discussion, hence the tongue-smiley afterwards, there was really no need to respond.

I'll concede Nikhel was being a bit biased in his own language here, but personally I would just ignore that as he always is (:P). Nonetheless suffice to say it would be a poor thing if it did lose its dakka.

[Arbit]

The LRP also does quite nice single piercing damage with the central twin-linked bolter - 80 DPS according to the recently updated codex. The phobos lascannons got some good hits on the libby but it was the bolters that finished him (it happens offscreen but you can see the lascannons fire but the lib disappears from Riku's roster several seconds after that).