Patch 2.3 Balance changelog

[Helios]

ETA on release? It feels like it's been "almost finished" for about a month now. Are there problems delaying it?

[Caeltos]

Balance changelog is pretty much done, just some abilities and Chosen Plague Marines needs to be implemented.

There's some pink texture errors on some of the new models, and we're also doing alot more then what is listed in the changelog here. That leads to bug hunting, bug fixing and misc. other stuff.

[crazyman64335]

the patch will be released right after caeltos takes a selfie

[Wise Windu]

There's some pink texture errors on some of the new models

Figured it out and am in the process of adding these, hooray.

[sebi.costa]

we're also doing alot more then what is listed in the changelog here.

What is this extra stuff??
And my idea about a ig sub-comander, i was thinking maybe a psycher just like the one in dow 1. Where u could attach to a squad and it had 2 abilitys he could use. It could make a comeback in ELITE.

[Aertes]

The Independent Character rule, or "attachment" as you call it, was eliminated in DoW II and i think its better that way. Characters are very powerful in Dow II (the imperial psyker was interesting but not determinant in DoW).

Anyway, a Primaris Psyker model for DoW II based in the Librarian/Sorcerer animations is an idea I agree with and commented before in a thread at the General Discussion sub-forum.

As for the upcoming patch, I hope there was time and room for the new Brother-Captain's Warding Staff that Nikhel created, so it can be implemented without replacing the Space Marine Librarian's.

[Wise Windu]

As for the upcoming patch, I hope there was time and room for the new Brother-Captain's Warding Staff that Nikhel created, so it can be implemented without replacing the Space Marine Librarian's.

It's in.

[Black Relic]

yolofields.

Ironically, being the idiot that I am, I usually use the holofield in said manner with FoF Plasma Nades and Banshees

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A played a game last week where I used this to ambush an SM army (had my whole eldar army sitting in it.). Waited til they got close enough. Warp Spiders threw nade on dread. Shess pwning ASM, Rangers using kenetic pulse on tacs, with a Anti-grac nade in their face. Guardians*2 focusing on scouts. Warp Spider Exarch then using entangling on Thunder Hammer FC. Warp Spider EX then forcing melee on dread (sadly couldn't warp to it).

The Shees wiped ASM then moved on to help take down the SM dread, didn't bother with the Tacs since I threw nades on them (thought they would take damage if they were in the air). Was pretty epic. Dude was like "WTF is this bullshit?"

Well manage Eldar are soo dangerous. If this happened to me I would probably demand a concede from my team. Alas they didn't since a LR, with army, came out of nowhere RIGHT after I toke down dread = no power bash.

[Sub_Zero]

There's some pink texture errors on some of the new models, and we're also doing alot more then what is listed in the changelog here. That leads to bug hunting, bug fixing and misc. other stuff

As well as fixing the problems of the new skins can you consider fixing the problems of some old skins? The problems that have occured since the addition of these models. Let me point you the direction.

Also I want to ask again. Is it worth my time to bring here all the hotkeys that currently match with some other hotkeys? I am talking about standard hotkeys. Not the QWERTY ones.

Hope it is not ignored again. It is not even balance related. Visual and technical problems.

[Wise Windu]

As well as fixing the problems of the new skins can you consider fixing the problems of some old skins? The problems that have occured since the addition of these models. Let me point you the direction.

It's already added.

[Torpid]

The mod assumes you use grid keys, or personalised keys so the default key issue isn't really an issue.

The skin textures are more troublesome, numerous fixes have been attempted for this but they seem to work on for some but not for others.

[sebi.costa]

DAMN u guys work pretty fast on creating the next patch.
Is there a release date? (thx for ur time and effort u put in the mod since it started keep it up, u guys are doing a great job )

Anyway, a Primaris Psyker model for DoW II based in the Librarian/Sorcerer animations is an idea I agree with and commented before in a thread at the General Discussion sub-forum.

I was referring to the psychers abilitys from dow 1. Not the way it used to get itself attached to a squad. A psycher with the same abilitys with the Librarian/Sorcerer animations could be really fun to have indeed. Hope it would some day make its way into ELITE mod! The abilitys are ok, and a subcommander in t2 for ig could be really interesting to have.(hell even t3 like the doom of malan'tai)
I really think this sub-commander could help ig vs wraith guard. They dont have anything at the moment that can counter. Except maybe a combo of units: spotters and ogryns, assault stormtroopers with hero support(but then again they suffer heavy loses if one wraith shot hits them and their forced off).

[Nuclear Arbitor]

Also I want to ask again. Is it worth my time to bring here all the hotkeys that currently match with some other hotkeys? I am talking about standard hotkeys. Not the QWERTY ones.

i think so, but only if you suggest replacement hotkeys. that was the requirement last time i saw anything about it.

[Raffa]

Latest changelog says:

*Vindicare Assassin "Cameleoline Stealth Suit" now grants a toggled infiltration ability.

So this is what it will be in the new patch? In the Codex it says 10 energy to activate and then 2/s to maintain. Is this correct?

This is probably the best way to do it as it will actually force some energy management rather than just spamming Aim For the Heart (yeah yeah, whatever it's called lol) as soon as it's off cooldown. May also help the Vindicare Assassin not dying in 80% of games he's bought in despite your best efforts to keep him safe.

And could the GK Libby please have the helmet Sterling made (if it's sharp enough), rather than looking like a raging paedophile.

[Lulgrim]

VA will get the passive infiltration back and now it totally workz.

[Aertes]

And could the GK Libby please have the helmet Sterling made (if it's sharp enough)

If you mean the Space marine Librarian one, that doesn't fit for a Terminator, He'd need a newly made one, but GK Librarian looks pretty good as he is now. SHowing face helps to diffirenttiate him from the brother-captain moreover.

[sebi.costa]

If you mean the Space marine Librarian one, that doesn't fit for a Terminator, He'd need a newly made one, but GK Librarian looks pretty good as he is now. SHowing face helps to diffirenttiate him from the brother-captain moreover.

I think his face looks really sweet. Since in ELITE mod its really rare to see a SM model with no helmet when u compare to retail.

[Ar-Aamon]

No it doesn't. The new helmet Sterling made is way cooler.

[Darkbulborb]

Dunno if it's the right place to post here,

But if you're going to chance stuff, change mekboy's Waaagh Banner (T) or 'Ave a taste (also T) to a different letter, right now I have to mouse click on a unit I want to use Ave a taste on.

[Sub_Zero]

Yeah, I was talking about the same thing. No official answer has been given.

[Nurland]

Probably better suited for the bugs & issues thread

[Sub_Zero]

But not only balance changes are listed here. That is why I think it is fine to get an answer here because if the reaction is positive then new hotkeys can be incorporated right away.

[Raffa]

OK since it seems we're (hopefully) approaching the muchos muchos awaited 2.3, here's some technical things I'd like clarification on. Forgive me if they're already in the balance changelog, but confirmation would be great nonetheless - even just one-word answers would very much help.

1. VP tick reduced rate is applied passively on those maps?

2. Brightlance Wraithlord is getting melee resistance? Ranged Carnifexes?

3. Flesh Over Steel is definitely tracking? ( )

6. Sentinel costing extra upkeep to go in line with the pop increase?

7. Kasrkin grenade launchers knockdown models with every shot? (extreme gaylordism alert, they could hard counter armies)

[Wise Windu]

Brightlance Wraithlord is getting melee resistance?

Flesh Over Steel is definitely tracking?

Kasrkin grenade launchers knockdown models with every shot?

Yes.

Ranged Carnifexes?

Sentinel costing extra upkeep to go in line with the pop increase?

No.

VP tick reduced rate is applied passively on those maps?

I think so, but Lulgrim would be able to better answer that.

Figured out 4 and 5 I take it?

[Dark Riku]

1. VP tick reduced rate is applied passively on those maps?

There will be different versions of the map.

2. Brightlance Wraithlord is getting melee resistance? Ranged Carnifexes?

I so hope the wraithlord will lose it when upgrading to a ranged weapon.
But from the looks of it, it stays :/

6. Sentinel costing extra upkeep to go in line with the pop increase?

Whut? °_O Why...?

[Ace of Swords]

Kasrkin grenade launchers knockdown models with every shot?

Yes.

Soo, should I just go back to dark crusade/soulstorm?

[BaptismByLoli]

Kasrkin grenade launchers knockdown models with every shot?

Yes.

This is gonna be interesting...

[Caeltos]

1. VP tick reduced rate is applied passively on those maps?

Trying out on specific maps first and fore-most, it's a very tentative change that is really in the air if it's going to get in or not.

2. Brightlance Wraithlord is getting melee resistance? Ranged Carnifexes?

Yes, for starters - the Wraithlord does not lose melee resistance. An explanation is probably required - it's mostly due to the comparison upgrades from other walkers are more specilizations, whereas the Wraithlord one is more of a luxury-add-on that doesn't have quite the impact as the other walker upgrades.

3. Flesh Over Steel is definitely tracking? ( )

Yeah, but considering how clumsy the pathing is to some degree, you're should consider yourself even lucky if you get 1 hit in during this period of time. . Considering walker-type units also have melee resistance, it's more of an nuissance for transport (most of them are fast tho) so it demands abit more on the FC in terms of general wargear-cost dumps to make it more workwhile.

6. Sentinel costing extra upkeep to go in line with the pop increase?

Yes.

7. Kasrkin grenade launchers knockdown models with every shot? (extreme gaylordism alert, they could hard counter armies)

Yes, but largely-spread out armies won't really be bothered much by it. They're going to fire a volley, and it'll knockback. And the intervals should give the units enough time to actually be able to maneuver and avoid the second shot, if they pay attention to the volley. Hench abit on the cooldown changes.

[Cheah18]

I think a unit like Kasrkin should have some sort of edge like knockdown on GLs, especially cos, as they are, the launchers are a bit of a poor choice

[Ace of Swords]

The question is, what happens when you have 2 of them, since the spammability of unit hasn't been addressed, even in 1v1 it's very easy to get 2 squads of them and their damage is still absurd.