Chaos vs Sniper scouts

[Furious Banana]

I always get crushed by double snipers, especially as plague champion.

I tried to use raptors, but they can only jump one scout squad at a time..

Tips would be greatly appreciated.

[Kvek]

More info would be nice, is it 1v1, which SM hero and if it's happening even in t2 etc
anyway, rushing a BC is probably the best answer to this as PC, PC's biggest weakness are snipers

[Furious Banana]

It usually happens in 2v2, for me. SM commander is either FC or Apo.

What would be the effective way of dealing snipers in t1? Is fast tech the only way?

[Dark Riku]

Fast tech, lead engagements with your hero and 2-3 tics.

[Nurland]

Fast teching or double GL tics.

[Ace of Swords]

There is also the mucus discharge option, that heal has a pretty low CD, it will help both your PC and CSM tank the damage while the GL tics do the rest.

[Batpimp]

I find making Gl tics to be cost efficient in that they can fire back at lower cost to your req bleed in comparison, do good dmg to all SM heavy infantry and are mobile. I spam the grenade barrage to force the scouts to hold still and get knocked back and therefore, hopefully, take two or three nade volleys from double GL tics. The last thing you want to make is noisemarines or more CSM. Though you will lose more tic models compared to his snipers models it will require him to keep on the move and fire unless they want a grenade volley to catch them. Every scout you kill is expensive to pay for..the whole time they are fighting you remember they are also not capping. He HAS to win those fights for him to get map control. So make sure to make him pay dearly for it. Don't be surprised you will have to have a bigger more varied army just to keep up.

also, as others have said, use your PC hero to push in and do dmg if you can. The bolter dmg is decent with 2-3 bursts to bleed a model or more.

Last thing I want to say is you should rename your post as PC (hero) vs Snipers (SM)

It is a hard match up no doubt.

[Furious Banana]

Sound like double gl ticks are way to go.

Thank you all, I'll give that a try.

[Torpid]

You're screwed. You go double GL tics and he just gets ASM + halo FC. Besides the SM just has to wait to see your first t1.5 purchase. You get NM and he just gets devs. You get raptors and you may as well concede due to the bleed you'll incur. You get havocs he just gets snipers and you've got another useless unit. If he gets snipers vs your nm/raptors/havocs you're gonna get gl tics and then he gets asm and again you're screwed, the plague sword alone will not deal with the asm. You could open with 3 tics but then he just won't go for snipers and will get the hero upgrades/shotgun scouts/asm and once again you're screwed. The MU is horrible.

Oh, you could also use turrets. Snipers do not counter turrets, especially if he has no ASM.

[Nurland]

Melee tics are also great if he doesn't have devs.

[Furious Banana]

@ Torpid

That seems rather bleak, but makes sense.

I main CL. Should I go for 2 melee ticks, 1 gl ticks, and combi bolter on CL?

[Raffa]

Chaos Lord with Dark Halo & Combiflamer leading in engagements trashes sniper scouts. You bleed them horrendously and tank like a baws (sniper damage has a 0.6 modifier vs commander armor). It's the same power cost he's paying and counters them on every level, plus is good against everything else he can get and scales decently, rather than exceptionally, into T2. If you're dominating req points then scratch the halo and go T2.

Plague Champion is suicide vs snipers, seriously just concede and don't waste your time. If you're not the type to give up, pray to Papa Nurgle to send you a sniper rifle. If George Bush can get elected anything can happen

[Atlas]

What would you all say for the Sorceror? I'll admit I've had a hard time with snipers too. I've tried getting Vestments of the Warp but it isn't always reliable considering how fast snipers are and how squishy the Sorceror is.

[Ace of Swords]

His worship completely nullify snipers, getting a sarge,let alone 2 ontop of 2 snipers = double bc rush before you are even halfway to hit the T2 button, and their detection range is too short, by the time they are detecting they will be in csm/havok range.

[Bahamut]

yeah pretty much tzeentch worship completely defeats the purpose of getting snipers, in 1v1 you can still use them to ninja cap and poke/bleed on the offsides but in 3v3 laned maps they lose all possible value

[Torpid]

Between his worship and sigil's ability to move heretics into your foe's retreat path the sorceror is one of the best heroes against snipers. You also get flaming raptors

[Dark Riku]

Both Raffa and Torpid are making it sound way bleaker than it actually is Banana ^^

[Torpid]

As the PC it really is bleak. It's just horrible. No exaggeration, if it's even skill levels there's no real way you can win without them utterly messing up.

[Tex]

Agreed, its a horribly bleak matchup. I have a bunch of experience in it and you honestly just need to play better than your opponent. Leading with your hero is an absolute must, and capping extra power nodes early in the game is super important. Your opponent must pay the price for buying snipers or all is lost.