What new models would you like to see added to Elite?

[DarnedDragoon]

Ok guys lets hear your wishlist, what new models would you like to see? Give us all the little details too.

[ChrisNihilus]

Tempestus Scions, to replace the horrible StormTroopers.
Leave the StormTroppoer model to the GK, Astra Militarum deserve the new model.

[DarnedDragoon]

Gosh that armor looks cool. Good choice!

[DandyFrontline]

The only faction i would like to see new models is GK because it's EM faction. All the other factions got enough units and the only thing is needed - balance. Everything should be reasonably. EM suppose to be balance mod, it should not be like ULTIMATENOOBNERDAPOCALYPSYS mod for DoW1. Just my thoughts. What about GK - i think they should have some new models, so SHI would not be meta but as it's limited units for GK in general - would be nice to see Servitors and Neophytes. Also, if there will be possibility to chose more heroes for GK, one of them should be Grey Knights Brotherhood Champion

[DarnedDragoon]

The only faction i would like to see new models is GK because it's EM faction. All the other factions got enough units and the only thing is needed - balance. Everything should be reasonably. EM suppose to be balance mod, it should not be like ULTIMATENOOBNERDAPOCALYPSYS mod for DoW1. Just my thoughts. What about GK - i think they should have some new models, so SHI would not be meta but as it's limited units for GK in general - would be nice to see Servitors and Neophytes. Also, if there will be possibility to chose more heroes for GK, one of them should be Grey Knights Brotherhood Champion

Servitors? Like combat servitors? What kind of servitors, come on man, I said details! What would the Neophytes look like, repainted scouts? What specialties would the Brotherhood Champion have?

Here's idea guardian servitors with shields, and a grey knight apothecary that is not another hero, maybe fall into a Painboy role with a combi-bolter instead of a melee weapon. Or maybe give him a psychic ability to pull a single model back from harm. All grey knights are supposed to be psykers right? This could prevent a unit from being wiped.

[Fr33man1800]

Its just too cool and also on DOW I had a spectacular voice acting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpmiq8sTH0k




Pretty much for the same reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ5s81NRdQE


Also strangely enough there are some SM announcer lines for a chaplain, i guess it was never implemented?

https://youtu.be/AeiKR__4bo8?t=9m46s

[DandyFrontline]

- combat servitors. Could be models of tics repainted
- neophytes (yea repainted scouts)
BH champion as new commander for GK, not as tuff as BC but faster with more DPS and disruption

[DarnedDragoon]

Its just too cool and also on DOW I had a spectacular voice acting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpmiq8sTH0k




Pretty much for the same reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ5s81NRdQE


Also strangely enough there are some SM announcer lines for a chaplain, i guess it was never implemented?

https://youtu.be/AeiKR__4bo8?t=9m46s

Hmm a Pysker for the Imperial Guard would be cool.

There is already a Champlain model implemented into Elite. I think it's in Blood Angles Elite Scheme.

What would servitors role be though, anti-vehicle? Another super unit?

I think giving GKs scouts just makes them too similar to Space Marines. With the current hero they don't really need scouts, scouts are used for disruption against melee attacks early game, and GKs are good at melee. With only three models they dont give a lot of range dps.

The B. Champ sounds kind of cool, would he play more like the Force Commander or the Sorcerer?

[Cyris]

I'd just love to see more differentiation on some of the GK squads. Add some color, banners, change weapons whatever. The SS, Purg, Purifiers and INT all look just a bit too similar. Would love to see a bigger visual change between them.

[sterling]

There's actually already models for a terminator chaplain and an imperial psyker, albeit without the goatee (think it was mooted as an IG subcommander at one point).

I'd definitely second the tempestus scions - the new parts for the model, helmet and armour could easily be added onto the existing stormtooper skeleton and included in the mod with relative ease.

Would be a nice addition to elite and then the Inquisition can have the old model for their ST's.

[xXKageAsashinXx]

Maybe add different models of those that already exist and have it where those extra models are picked at random when spawning a unit?

Ex. Guardsman Squad won't have everyone just be a carbon copy of each other. One guy will have his goggles on, another won't, one guy won't have a bayonet on his lasgun, another guy will only have part of his flak armor, one guy might be black ethnically, another might be black with dirt or soot or tar or something, some guy might have camo on his face, etc.

Though it might take some time to think up small changes like that for all the units, adding the changes shouldn't really take that long since you aren't remaking the unit from scratch or something.

[fankater]

I want fucking Macharius Heavy Tank !! Someone plz do ^^

[Swift]

It is possible to differenttiate models, I'm not sure if it is possible to randomly do it. It depends, soem people like their army to be more uniform, others like a rag tag feel. Depemds on the regiment background, Cadian 8th for example might recruit from all over Cadia but they will have a much more regimented look than a regiment of gang members pressed into service.

[Swift]

Also must I stress to you lot that this will msotly be wishlisting, anything more than a skin or colour change suggestion is likely to meet no implementation. Some people seem to forget this is a balance mod is all.

[xXKageAsashinXx]

It is possible to differenttiate models, I'm not sure if it is possible to randomly do it. It depends, soem people like their army to be more uniform, others like a rag tag feel. Depemds on the regiment background, Cadian 8th for example might recruit from all over Cadia but they will have a much more regimented look than a regiment of gang members pressed into service.

I chose guardsmen since you can easily keep it very orderly and uniform while at the same time not having them look exactly the same. I doubt you get many guardsmen squads that are entirely made out of rookies or entirely made out of veterans for much more than a mission or two. The difference in length of combat experience would make a squad look very diversified. At the very least you could add scuff marks to people's faces and gear, or even add some scars, though chances of seeing something so minuscule in that case is next to nonexistent. The Mordian Iron Guard could have individual guardsmen with different amounts of medals on their uniforms, Death Korp of Krieg and Armageddon Steel Legion could have varying gas masks, Cadian Shock Troops and others with the same armor scheme can have what I mentioned previously, etc. For Chaos and SM you can just look at the Space Marine game and take inspiration from all the different armor pieces they have there (not directly copy of course). Orks can have varying degree of armor and bitz on them, Tyranids doesn't really matter much, Eldar can be something similar to IG though to a lesser extent I guess.

Another thing I could add would be to make wargear have more aesthetics? 'Eavy Armor can show up on the Warboss as like it normally would have and the like.

[Swift]

Ok that's a valid point, maybe I was looking at the extreme end of things.

Yes, the Eavy armour does seem a bit small for being so 'eavy.

[DarnedDragoon]

I like the idea of guardsmen having different ethnic backgrounds and maybe mix in some of the opposite sex too. Also having certain armies have a dedicated race and others be more mixed would be cool too. On the other hand having different uniforms as in gas masks, some with camouflage paint on, and that one fucking guy who decides to wear fucking goggles when everyone else is not, is not really conducive to professional soldiering. That is coming from my own experience in the military and leading men.



It would work for a penal army, but not the professional regiments.

Orks should look all different I agree.

Now the Tanith First and Only would be the exception as they are basically a conscripted family. They usually have no armor on, they all wear cloaks, they have females, and a lot of them sport blue tribal tattoos.







Also lets not forget about the nids, here's an idea:



Alien themed textures!



The Macharius Heavy Tank could happen if we do the turret and just replace the bane blade turret with it.

[Spartan717]

What would be great is if the chaos dreadnought and predator could have different skins/models depending on which Mark they are upgraded with.

e.g. mark of khorne upgrade could have more skulls on the vehicle etc.

[DarnedDragoon]

What would be great is if the chaos dreadnought and predator could have different skins/models depending on which Mark they are upgraded with.

e.g. mark of khorne upgrade could have more skulls on the vehicle etc.

They do, though they are specific to certain chaos legions and chaos legions are loyal to certain gods of chaos. So it doesnt make sense to have a khorne skin on a death guard dread because they all worship nurgle.

[Swift]

Let's not have Alien themed Tyranids. I don't seem to remember legal breaches being top on the list of the mod's priorities.

[DarnedDragoon]

Let's not have Alien themed Tyranids. I don't seem to remember legal breaches being top on the list of the mod's priorities.

How is that a legal breach?

[xXKageAsashinXx]

I like the idea of guardsmen having different ethnic backgrounds and maybe mix in some of the opposite sex too. Also having certain armies have a dedicated race and others be more mixed would be cool too. On the other hand having different uniforms as in gas masks, some with camouflage paint on, and that one fucking guy who decides to wear fucking goggles when everyone else is not, is not really conducive to professional soldiering. That is coming from my own experience in the military and leading men.

I mentioned gas masks for the respective regiments in the form if different manufacturers. Two different factories on two different planets in two different sectors with two different environments will have different designs. That can be showed in the case of guardsmen since chances are the IG will run out of uniform equipment and just grab anything they can get their hands on.

With the camo face paint, think of it as those black marks football players put on before a game. Some wear it, some don't, it's not a requirement.

And there has to be that one guy that's different than the rest. It's Murphy's Law. XD

[[EL] The Emperor]

WARNING IMAGE HEAVY! ALSO NOTE I AM NOT ASKING FOR A NEW FACTION JUST RETEXTURES, AND ADDITION OF MODELS ALREADY IN THE GAME!:

Well the first one is kinda a long time dream that I have had and it involves the Death Korps of Krieg (Yes I know I am the only one who plays as the skin but how can you not?):

Bayonets: I always thought that the Death Korps deserved these because it fits them perfectly both in the game, and in the lore!

Here is a quote that illustrates why they should have them added: Proficient in the use of all basic Imperial Guard weaponry types as well as grenades and explosives, a Death Korps soldier is also an expert at the rapid construction of effective trench works and static defenses. They are also exemplary hand-to-hand combatants, with bayonet-drill being practiced from childhood.



During the siege of Vraks they are always described as carrying out bayonet charges (sometimes suicidal). My point is that the current melee image is stupid because they poke the enemy with the muzzle of their guns. Granted its a poor commander who lets anyone even get close its still a necessary addition!! I mean heretics get bayonets but these sons of the Emperor don't? Very disgraceful, and shame upon those who prevent it!

Vox-Caster: Another model I want to see added is the Vox-Caster its a realism, and practical thing! Hell even if it doesn't add anything but a extra model I would be happy.

They are actually highly useful in table top, and most Imperial Guard blobs I see, or play myself have the addition of one of them per squad to allow for easier communication!

Once again I did a whole thread of why they should be implemented game play wise anyways. But hell they look cool, and would add some immersion because it at least adds a atmosphere that your troops are communicating with your commander via vox.

I don't care if they add a buff or not (perhaps a small accuracy bonus?) but they should be apart of this game and attached to the squads. They have them in campaign and they do basically the same things as I have mentioned....



Standard Bearer: Okay who doesn't want a regimental standard bearer? I mean they have SO many applications in the Imperial Guard play book its hilarious.

They look bad ass, they make your command squad look more official, and there is a variety of buffs they could add to the Imperial Guard repertoire. Now yes I did say command squad but that's because I think the Imperial Guard Lord General is the only person who could pull this off because he already has a retinue of 3 other upgrade-able commanders. I think the standard bearer should be added to give a enhanced courage boost like what the Force Commander has. This idea doesn't need to be over powered I mean you are paying for it! Plus you could make it as expensive as the Vox-Caster...



Engineers: FINALLY this one is a simple re-skin of the Catachans for the Death Korps of Krieg! Its a common fact CATACHANS AND DEATH KORPS SOLDIERS DO NOT GET ALONG!! They are never put in the same regiments, nor are they ever used for the same things ever! The Death Korps already has its version of the Catachan Rambo's.

The ENGINEER! They basically do the same things, all I see needing to be done is a skin being taken from the already made Death Korps of Krieg Storm Troopers, and being pasted over the Catachans. I don't care if they keep the name "Catachans", but I don't want to look at those ugly rabble any longer.They don't match my brilliant uniforms nor does the EMPEROR APPROVE!



Final Word: This isn't about balance, I honestly don't have any reservations on the current balance. I just want the models implemented, in some way, shape, or form to be honest none of these models even have to due with new strategies! Its just immersion I am seeking! I would be willing to donate to anyone who would do a good job of implementing this stuff!

- [EL] The Emperor of Mankind

[[EL] The Emperor]

Maybe add different models of those that already exist and have it where those extra models are picked at random when spawning a unit?

Ex. Guardsman Squad won't have everyone just be a carbon copy of each other. One guy will have his goggles on, another won't, one guy won't have a bayonet on his lasgun, another guy will only have part of his flak armor, one guy might be black ethnically, another might be black with dirt or soot or tar or something, some guy might have camo on his face, etc.

Though it might take some time to think up small changes like that for all the units, adding the changes shouldn't really take that long since you aren't remaking the unit from scratch or something.

I don't agree read up on the lore because this actually farther from the truth then you could imagine. The professional Cadian, Krieg, Mordian, and Steel Legion regiments all use standard equipment. Its also the job of the regimental Commissar to ensure that all soldiers within their respective regiments are following the uniform code of conduct. They all use identical equipment as to that they were trained with, and rarely do the professional regiments deviate.

The most standard pattern currently are Cadian pattern weapons, the next would be the Death Korps (this is due however with the fact they have WAY more regiments then any other planet including Cadia). But its been even known for regimental Commissars to shoot soldiers who deviate away from the dress-code (some shoot guardsman for missing their handbooks). My point is that these aren't penal legions, if they were I would say fine but they aren't. Krieg soldiers would strongly disagree also... when was the last time you saw them without their gas masks or distinctive great coats even in the field? NEVER! They even have something called a Watch Master which is basically their sergeant who wonders around the battlefield administering the Emperors peace, and then scavenging the uniforms, and weapons of the now deceased Kriegsman!!

The reason the regiments keep their standardization is because there is way to much deviation across the board anyways. The weapons are standardized so they can carry out the combat drills they were trained to do with the weapons they were trained to do it with. The Munitorium was put into place to ensure that all weapons are properly administered to their respective regiments. They even take weapons away from soldiers if those weapons are somehow changed (demon possession, consecrated some way, etc.) and then give the guardsman the standard old piece of crap they were originally using. They expressly forbid against the use of Xenos weapons... the list goes on and on.

Plus soldiers of each regimented are recruited exclusively from each PLANET! Meaning there is very little deviation in skin tone, or iris color! (Cadians have purple Irises). There is rarely migration in this universe people get stuck on the planet they were born, and die there. By this point in human history genetics would state that everyone would basically be the same skin tone except for that of the environment they live in. Tallarns look Middle Eastern, the Praetorian Guard are British Soldiers in space who seem to be white. Its against the lore to deviate. Now Individual traits such as height, and size I could agree with. Anything else? Nah...

[ChrisNihilus]

Tallarns

By far my favourites.
Would be cool to have them.

[DarnedDragoon]

Not all planets in the Imperium are entirely one race, statistically and logically speaking these planets would be in the minority. For lots of reasons I wont get into, because it would be off topic.

Bottom line GW provides the models and the guides but you can paint them however you want.

Anyways, if you can't tell, I would very much like an ethnically diverse IG Army. Penal armies would be really cool too

[Kentation]

Let's not have Alien themed Tyranids. I don't seem to remember legal breaches being top on the list of the mod's priorities.

How is that a legal breach?

Modders would be producing/reproducing work based on somehthing that is copyright protected.

[DarnedDragoon]

Let's not have Alien themed Tyranids. I don't seem to remember legal breaches being top on the list of the mod's priorities.

How is that a legal breach?

Modders would be producing/reproducing work based on somehthing that is copyright protected.

Well I don't believe copyright applies in this case since it wouldn't be an exact replica.

[Swift]

Well not only is it actually a copyright breach, sicne you are directly imitating/copying copyright material, but the fact your Tyranids look like Alien breaks any immersion.

[DarnedDragoon]

Ok, moving on, so what do you guys think of the Destroyer Squad with their rad-weapons and bio-alchem munitions as an alternative to noise marines?



I'm thinking they blend in more with the other chaos legions such as the Death Guard where as the noise marines are more native to the Emperor's Children.

They would essentially be used for the same purpose as the noise marines, i.e. gen bashing, infantry disruption, as well as some kind of long range upgrade in tier two.