Slaanesh Champion

[Carnevour]

In an old interview with TASK3R and one more from Relic, they experimented with different units for Chaos Rising. Two of those that were mentioned, were the Dark Reapers for Eldar, and Chaplain for the Space Marines. But they went with Librarian and Wraithguards instead for that installment.

So, how feasible would a Slaneeshi champion be actually? Obviously, there's bigger things on the table atm but is this something that has any interest vested into it?

What are the bigger things may i ask? I kinda didnt follow which direction Caeltos was going with the mod after my 2-3 year hiatus.

[Dark Riku]

About everything else?

[Atlas]

About everything else?

Like freaking matchmaking bro

[Hellstar]

I say go "whole hog" and do the greater demon of Slaanesh as well, and do Slaanesh worship on the heretics. Then if we can get a Tzeench greater demon and a Bloodthirster, we will have 4 commanders with 4 flavors of Chaos god and (possibly unique) access to their particular greater demon as ultimate unit.

[xXKageAsashinXx]

This still alive?

[Max_Damage]

Give chaos a mini hero already. All other factions have 1 or 2 miniheroes easily.

I would like to see this or a Daemon Prince with choices for marks etc

[ChrisNihilus]

Give chaos a mini hero already. All other factions have 1 or 2 miniheroes easily.

I would like to see this or a Daemon Prince with choices for marks etc

The only mini-hero i can see for Chaos is a Dark Apostle.
Noise Champion belong to the Commanders.

[xXKageAsashinXx]

If you want a subcommander, then just create some type of Chosen marine. Then, depending on the upgrades, he can either be a khornate chosen, nurglese chosen, slaaneshi chosen, or tzeentch chosen. Fluff and balance at the same time.

[egewithin]

I would like to see this or a Daemon Prince with choices for marks etc

to see this or a Daemon Prince with choices

a Daemon Prince

Aggg... This has been alread discussed like 16 topics. And we only have the half of the model. If you are going to desing the other half, we can think about it.

[Swift]

A Slaaneshi/Mark of Slaanesh Dark Apostle was talked about.

[ChrisNihilus]

A Slaaneshi/Mark of Slaanesh Dark Apostle was talked about.

Yes, it was my proposal as a 4th commander.

But they don't like the idea it seems.

[Swift]

A Slaaneshi/Mark of Slaanesh Dark Apostle was talked about.

Yes, it was my proposal as a 4th commander.

But they don't like the idea it seems.

I don't think you were the only one, though I can't find anything else on it. But it would be good.

[Paradise Lost]

If you want a subcommander, then just create some type of Chosen marine. Then, depending on the upgrades, he can either be a khornate chosen, nurglese chosen, slaaneshi chosen, or tzeentch chosen. Fluff and balance at the same time.

I say we take it to the next level. How about actual cult squads for each commander? Berserkers with Skull Champion for the CL, keep CPM for the PC, and a squad of Rubric Marines with an aspiring sorcerer for the CS. Make these 'sargeant' upgrades T3, and give one to the NM as well. KB and RM would have their own unique abilities, whether they are T2 or come with the upgrade depends on the ability itself.


Remove Mark upgrades for CSM, or at least make them do something else.

[Paradise Lost]

Also, is this guy ever coming back, even if it I'll have to wait years for him?

[Swift]

But you just want what si nice and fluffy, Rubric Marines exist already, Khorne Marines are Beserkers, Slaanesh has Noise Marines already. And yet you want more on top which does the same? Chaos already have an expansive roster.

[xXKageAsashinXx]

What about Warp Talons as a sorcerer call-in? They aren't any more redundant than vanguards.

And wait, we're getting off-topic despite the tread being pretty much dead anyways. Is this new commander still a thing? Or has it died along with the threads for it?

[egewithin]

If we belive hard enough, DoW3 can be a tabletop game and then we have every unit we can ever desire! Then different problems to deal with. Damm!

[Swift]

If we belive hard enough, DoW3 can be a tabletop game and then we have every unit we can ever desire! Then different problems to deal with. Damm!

And about three million units that all do the same thing

[Paradise Lost]

But you just want what si nice and fluffy, Rubric Marines exist already, Khorne Marines are Beserkers, Slaanesh has Noise Marines already. And yet you want more on top which does the same? Chaos already have an expansive roster.

Those are neither Berserkers nor Rubric Marines, man. They are CSM with cult weapons. The difference? Well in the tabletop/fluff Berserkers are 'charge' specialists, who excel at initial assaults. However they have no charge move here. Rubric Marines are supposed to be slow and purposeful, with Feel No Pain which means a lot more health and a special affinity with Sorcerers.

[Swift]

So IG need Conscripts, Infantry Platoons and Veterans, because after all, Guardsmen aren't good enough alone, they need to wield heavy flamers and wear carapace armour, and in the case of Conscripts they need squad sizes of fifty because they do in TT?

Or maybe for SM we should have chapter specific squads like Sanguinary Guard, Sword Brethren for Black Templars, etc.

Caeltos you're old hat, we need Paradise Lost balancing this game.

Also why am I such an arse on the forums?

[Torpid]

Also why am I such an arse?

Fixed that - there was no for the "on the forums" qualifier.

[Paradise Lost]

So IG need Conscripts, Infantry Platoons and Veterans, because after all, Guardsmen aren't good enough alone, they need to wield heavy flamers and wear carapace armour, and in the case of Conscripts they need squad sizes of fifty because they do in TT?

Or maybe for SM we should have chapter specific squads like Sanguinary Guard, Sword Brethren for Black Templars, etc.

Caeltos you're old hat, we need Paradise Lost balancing this game.

Also why am I such an arse on the forums?

You imply my suggestions would be mandatorily unbalanced. Price, tiers and red cost changes exist for a reason, you know.


But yeah, I'm too new to have a part in this mod...Yet.

[Swift]

Ok I'll explain without being a dick.

What you want is already performed by other units in the Chaos roster, the KCSM, Bloodletters, Chosen Plague Marines, MoT Marines already do everything you want. By adding more of the same you are over saturating the roster, taking up unit slots and showing the mod puts favouritism on Chaos (which is an argument that some circles make already). KCSM already compete with Bloodletters and Bloodletters do the job better generally. MoT marines do huge amounts of inferno damage already and are one of the best ranged squads in the game. Then the Nurgle role is obviously filled by CPM and Plague Marines and the Noise Marine I'd say are pretty accurate.

I'll not be so sarcastic next time.

[Paradise Lost]

Ok I'll explain without being a dick.

What you want is already performed by other units in the Chaos roster, the KCSM, Bloodletters, Chosen Plague Marines, MoT Marines already do everything you want. By adding more of the same you are over saturating the roster, taking up unit slots and showing the mod puts favouritism on Chaos (which is an argument that some circles make already). KCSM already compete with Bloodletters and Bloodletters do the job better generally. MoT marines do huge amounts of inferno damage already and are one of the best ranged squads in the game. Then the Nurgle role is obviously filled by CPM and Plague Marines and the Noise Marine I'd say are pretty accurate.

I'll not be so sarcastic next time.

But that's the thing. I don't see why keep KCSM and TCSM that barely imitate their respective cult units while Nurgle and Slaneesh get the real deal, with Nurgle getting TWO. Also what I was suggesting wasn't an 'addition' but a replacement, or at least making the Marked CSM more like the cult units they are representing, with both their strenghts AND weaknesses better represented. I'm not simply asking 'make MoK/MoT CSM more OP' I'm just suggesting to make them more fluffy. That's all. I don't really think Chaos has gotten any sort of favoritism considering we have things like GK which are an entirely new race that got recently pumped up so hard many games have 'no GK' in the title. That's all. In the tabletop, while Rubric Marines are much slower and aren't specially tanky, they can get an Aspiring Sorcerer with Doombolts. I don't know anything like this in DoW/Elite. Same with Khorne Berserkers, they're awesome on the charge but no more durable than your average CSM and don't have plasma pistols. No such thing here in DoW, I don't know why you say it'd be more of the same.

I'm just saying.

[Swift]

Because they don't need to be fluffy and they do what they're meant to even if Khorne Marines do it in an odd way. You're asking for more Chaos buffs and that's going to start up twenty new threads on "Caeltos mod = Chaos mod". The thing is, it's all cool, but the Chaos roster has loads of interesting spells and the TCSM are one of the few sources of proper single target damage.

Nurgle has two because one is a PC call in that is specifically designed around his playstyle of anti melee, being able to go toe to toe with some harder meaner units that the other commanders have different ways of dealing with.

And Chaos has got lots of favouritism, remember Caeltos was a Chaos main back in the day, so people have obviously criticised implementations such as Slaughter.

[Caeltos]

My peak performance, and for competetive play was always Space Marines and Eldar, I mained Warlock/Apothecary mainly during all-throughout the EMS series that went along. I never really considered my Chaos to be even near my peak-performance that I once had with Space Marines & Eldar. Not that I have any of those skills left in me nowadays tho.

But hey, I guess people werent' around for those days.

[Atlas]

My peak performance, and for competetive play was always Space Marines and Eldar, I mained Warlock/Apothecary mainly during all-throughout the EMS series that went along. I never really considered my Chaos to be even near my peak-performance that I once had with Space Marines & Eldar. Not that I have any of those skills left in me nowadays tho.

But hey, I guess people werent' around for those days.

You got any links for those EMS days? For the bros like me who weren't even around when all this was happening?

[ChrisNihilus]

Chaos needs more units than the other Factions because their entire T2 lacks any kind of flexibility.
Except the Dread, any other unit has no upgrades and have either no abilities or it's not made to past T2.

And that's been done. We have 5 T1 units, and the roaster in T2 is full of stuff.

But, if in the Meta, Chaos feels like it need even more units than now, then it's time to add some flexibility to the existing ones, not adding even more for real.

Or remove something and replace it with something better.

[egewithin]

Chaos needs more units than the other Factions because their entire T2 lacks any kind of flexibility.
Except the Dread, any other unit has no upgrades and have either no abilities or it's not made to past T2.

And that's been done. We have 5 T1 units, and the roaster in T2 is full of stuff.

But, if in the Meta, Chaos feels like it need even more units than now, then it's time to add some flexibility to the existing ones, not adding even more for real.

Or remove something and replace it with something better.

Flexibilty is the main weakness of Chaos race IMO. They can't react early vehicle rushes like SM or IG for example. Yes, Chaos anti-vehicle is insane. And their any kind of anti-something is insane. But for that, it takes a bit time. Bringing a Dread is not easy as you know. If he brings Wraihguard, reaction is Khorne CSM or Bloodletters for example but that depends on player of cource, you spended good resource but now you are missing AV so he brings Wraithlord to punish your KSCM and now you need AV but need money, population and time, in the mean time he takes back map control. There are tons of examples like these.

[Caeltos]

My peak performance, and for competetive play was always Space Marines and Eldar, I mained Warlock/Apothecary mainly during all-throughout the EMS series that went along. I never really considered my Chaos to be even near my peak-performance that I once had with Space Marines & Eldar. Not that I have any of those skills left in me nowadays tho.

But hey, I guess people werent' around for those days.

You got any links for those EMS days? For the bros like me who weren't even around when all this was happening?

Most of the games were either covered by ESL a few years back, or by DoW2live. The ESL was only for the games that was played live in germany on stage, whereas DoW2live covered the online games. Most of the games were casted replay-wise, not neccassarily live, unless they were spectacular. I'm sure if DoW2live was still around, you could find some.

EMS was mainly during vanilla DoW2. Everything kind of came to a halt towards Chaos Rising, and Retribution never saw the light of day in the EMS series I believe from my recollection.