Eldar t1

[enasni127]

No, I'm perfectly fine in the remembering department. You however make me think you actually are very special.
Let me try to explain it to you, yet again. That was me trying to explain some basic economy to you with an easy to understand example.
Where do you get the delusion from that this is a build of mine? °_O

Sense, you make none.

riku, really.....
it seems like it is absolutely impossible to have any conversation with you at all and the reason for this is that you don't stick to your point, own expressions or opinions. facts are irrelevant for you, you consider your own examples to be wrong but yet spread them on this forums, maths seems to be none of your interests and in general you don't discuss to solve a problem or elaborize a strategy but just to discuss and "be right" after all. i've seen that before on this forum and the sad thing is that this time i'm the poor guy who tries to get along with you and not someone else.

and i never said i'm something special, the "very special" person here is definetely you.

[Dark Riku]

Facedesk. How can you be so ignorant?
I do stick to all my points! Facts are EVERYTHING! WRONG INFO or INTENTIONAL MISINTERPRETATION like you are doing here is not ok.
Change the amount of minutes to whatever you want! It was an attempt to show you that it matters when you drop your gens.
As I already explicitly stated before!

You are seriously pissing me off with all of this bull crap.

[Adeptus Noobus]

One of you needs to take the high road here so the discussion can actually come back to the question at hand.

[Codex]

I understand it's sometimes hard to tell the difference between specifics and general things. It's funny, because I can read both of your posts and see where you're both going, not disagree with any specifics of what anyone is saying, yet see why you're in disagreement.

Riku's argument can be broken down into a few stages:

a) Dropping gens earlier than your opponent creates a power income advantage
b) Dropping generators too early compared to your opponent is counterproductive because he will simply bash them. This is exacerbated for races with easy gen bash (flamers, or in IG's case, a relatively power light lasturret backed up with Sents and GM)
c) IG's heavy T1 with such a heavy req investment is risky, but has the potential to wipe the opponent off the map, providing more req and power to the IG player. Thus, it's worth considering that available resources won't necessarily be that equal.

Thus, the player on the defensive is likely to have to go for some form of heavy T1 to defend (if they don't need to that's generally good for them). If the Heavy T1 is committed to, and it's relatively power heavy, they're only likely able to commit one or two gens (a full gen farm is suicide). If they lose a gen or two, then they're hardly going to get ahead in power. Meanwhile, any later power by the IG will likely be sufficient since their overall power expenditure in T1 is minimal, so you can get to T2 is very good time.

Yes, this build is inherently risky: if you lose a sentinel or two you can be totally screwed. But if the execution is good, you can wipe your opponent off the face of the map and not allow them to fast tech either with minimal power expenditure. That is the strength of the build.

Of course, the build has a weakness. Every unit and every build has a weakness (or at least one should hope so: to not have a weakness would be an initial indication that this is OP).

[Lichtbringer]

Of course, the build has a weakness. Every unit and every build has a weakness (or at least one should hope so: to not have a weakness would be an initial indication that this is OP).

Stop stop, wait. What is the weakness? You didn't say the weakness at the end. I have to know!

[Codex]

Yes, this build is inherently risky: if you lose a sentinel or two you can be totally screwed.

This is the same weakness as any heavy T1: you have to get something done with the superior army size, and if he somehow defends successfully will a smaller army or gets a squad wipe on you, you're likely going to get to T2 late and/or get screwed.

[crazyman64335]

all this riku rage, it's possibly forcing me over my daily salt intake

on topic, eldar t1 is weird. Dire Avengers are very good, banshees can be broken in the right players hands, and their commanders all have really good utility which peaks in late t1 early t2. eldar t1 is probably fine but i'd have to play many more matches with them to determine the effectiveness and versatility of their builds.