What do you rly hate in this game ? II

[Rataxas]

I think it's a rly good idea to keep going topic like this. Will explain why in sec, but first please dont spam overe here , dont make offtopic, just keep this clean.
So why to keep topic like this ?
Simple answer, cause you can see the point of view others players , and yeah i think this forum , elite mod and dow2 needs that.
It's the same with the balance matters and IMBA , OP , UP stuffs , ppl often say something is IMBA IMBA or OP but they have never tried to play that
race.

So i hope this topic will help none decent / pro players to understand noobs and noobs gonna maybe understand a view of the " pro players ", or simple 3v3 or 1v1 players will also get a fresh view on each others.

Pls once more keep this topic clean , simple , and away from some other subjects , no hate here, just reasonable comments.


I hate in this game :

- Balance ( it's getting wrose with every patch )
- Balance creators should start playing some 1v1 , not just reading comments on forum or take ideas from 1-2 players.
- Players that says balance should be on 2v2 or 3v3 ... Balance can be made only for 1 v 1 , never on team matches.
- Nuubies that got more than 1000 hours and blames better players that they dont want to play with them.
- Players that says 1 v 1 is boring , shitty and means nothing. Cause they say 3v3 is the essence of this game.



-) dont dare anyone says no , look at the MRT now and early days , look how many rly good players plays right now and played old days. That GK stuff , some poor Eldar changes , not touching anything almost in chaos , and few more things ...
-) To race you need to know the car , not only his numbers.
-) Dont even want to act. comment that , any one who thinks balance should be made on team games i will just say - TEAM GAMES are named like this cause of the TEAM WORK <!<! tactics and ideas.
-) If you got 1000 hours plus , and you cant hold even 200-300 tickets on 1v1 with some decent guy , thats means you are nuub. Dont try to bring hate , or rage overe here , true is true. Ofc you can have a bad day - normal , but some playes got a bad day like all month.
-) I think , 1v1 is more important , but 3 v 3 brings more enjoy of the playing only when you are with "TEAM MATES" on voice or something , ppl that know you well, so you can act like real TEAM , not just bunch of noobs trying to play 3v3 but separately.

[Dark Riku]

- Balance creators should start playing some 1v1 , not just reading comments on forum or take ideas from 1-2 players.

This is just insulting and not true.

[[EL] The Emperor]

- Balance creators should start playing some 1v1 , not just reading comments on forum or take ideas from 1-2 players.

This is just insulting and not true.

I agree with Dark Riku on this one surprisingly enough

[Narcolepsy]

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-) I think , 1v1 is more important

"More important" is entirely subjective.

[ChrisNihilus]

Pls once more keep this topic clean , simple , and away from some other subjects , no hate here, just reasonable comments.

I hate in this game :

- Balance ( it's getting wrose with every patch )
- Balance creators should start playing some 1v1 , not just reading comments on forum or take ideas from 1-2 players.
- Players that says balance should be on 2v2 or 3v3 ... Balance can be made only for 1 v 1 , never on team matches.

First you ask for reasonable comments and no hate, then you write provocative and untrue stuff.

[karnakkardak]

- Balance creators should start playing some 1v1 , not just reading comments on forum or take ideas from 1-2 players.

I agreed this opnion and maybe MOST korean user agreed with this. yes, many user feel like it.

[enasni127]

what i hate most in this game is actually players who

- will always try to join the winning team/team with good player stats or will otherwise leave the lobby.

- complain in each game they lose about their allies being SOOO NOOB/BAD. I mean, sometimes you just lose, it's not the end of the world.

- just join lobbies to observe. it makes me sick to see 1v1's filled with 7 players but just can't get the game going.

- think it's cool to have hakenkreuz-badges (swastikas), have german nazi-names or ns profile pictures. i am german and i'm sometimes worried about what people think about my people in this behaviour and i also think it's fucking insulting and makes me absolutely angry. some of these people use this forum and I just wanted to let you know that I have a list of you fuckers and avoid playing with you.


conclusion: dow2 is a multiplayer game played by real humand beings and our community is very small. I cannot accept people using racism, bad behaviour, arrogance or lazyness to prevent people from playing and making things worse day by day. i hope that's an english sentence and makes any sense.

p.s. ....and I hate chaos dread teleporting, noise marines and GK Terminators!

[Rataxas]

- Balance creators should start playing some 1v1 , not just reading comments on forum or take ideas from 1-2 players.

This is just insulting and not true.

Who do I insult in your opinion ?
Im just saying what im thinking... if you do not agree with my opinion tell us that , why ? why im wrong ? give us reason ?
If you cant explain your thoughts dont write in this topic.
Yes Riku you maybe right , not 2 ppl just like 3 or 4. True is someone who make an balance should play some MRT 1v1.

what i hate most in this game is actually players who

- will always try to join the winning team/team with good player stats or will otherwise leave the lobby.

- complain in each game they lose about their allies being SOOO NOOB/BAD. I mean, sometimes you just lose, it's not the end of the world.

- just join lobbies to observe. it makes me sick to see 1v1's filled with 7 players but just can't get the game going.

- think it's cool to have hakenkreuz-badges (swastikas), have german nazi-names or ns profile pictures. i am german and i'm sometimes worried about what people think about my people in this behaviour and i also think it's fucking insulting and makes me absolutely angry. some of these people use this forum and I just wanted to let you know that I have a list of you fuckers and avoid playing with you.


conclusion: dow2 is a multiplayer game played by real humand beings and our community is very small. I cannot accept people using racism, bad behaviour, arrogance or lazyness to prevent people from playing and making things worse day by day. i hope that's an english sentence and makes any sense.

p.s. ....and I hate chaos dread teleporting, noise marines and GK Terminators!

First thing i can agree with you that ppl always try to win, but isnt that normal behavior ? For entire human race ? We cant blame someone just for that he want to win something. Will say more , we should just try to get better so ppl will want to play with us in team.

Complain - Yep, i hate that to , agree in 100% , players that have 2000-3000 hours still does not have team mates for team games ( like real team with voice comlink ). But after a bad game it's good to discuss about some improvements of the team work. This is how i see teamplaying.

Agree about Noise Marines, but Sorc teleporting costs 100 red so i would say its ok. If he will use this 2-3 times probably no termies or abyss in late game so you should be happy

Pls once more keep this topic clean , simple , and away from some other subjects , no hate here, just reasonable comments.

I hate in this game :

- Balance ( it's getting wrose with every patch )
- Balance creators should start playing some 1v1 , not just reading comments on forum or take ideas from 1-2 players.
- Players that says balance should be on 2v2 or 3v3 ... Balance can be made only for 1 v 1 , never on team matches.

First you ask for reasonable comments and no hate, then you write provocative and untrue stuff.

I think you need to read my Post twice or even hundred twices times Do not write in this topic without good reason.

[Atlas]

Since the only real balance creator is Caeltos as far as we can tell, the "creators should play 1v1 and not read comments...." comment is an implied insult towards him and assumes that he doesn't already do these things.

Now I can entirely get behind the idea of making him play in the MRTS though

[ChrisNihilus]

I think you need to read my Post twice or even hundred twices times Do not write in this topic without good reason.

Provocative again.
Now I know you are a troll.

[HiveSpirit]

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I hate (unnecessary strong word =youth?) in this game :

- Balance ( it's getting wrose with every patch ) What is unbalanced? In what version was what bad/ good?
- Balance creators should start playing some 1v1 , not just reading comments on forum or take ideas from 1-2 players. Do they refuse doing 1on1 with you? Ppl are doing this on their sparetime, kinda free of charge because the like the game and thq went bankrupt/ stopped updating the game. Your critique is needed and welcomed, but what im trying to say is dont expect to much.
- Players that says balance should be on 2v2 or 3v3 ... Balance can be made only for 1 v 1 , never on team matches.So what stuff in 2v2 and 3on3 arnt balanced?
- Nuubies that got more than 1000 hours and blames better players that they dont want to play with them.Thats ppl playing the game, not the game itself hmm, the community/ players is a part of the game experience though..
- Players that says 1 v 1 is boring , shitty and means nothing. Cause they say 3v3 is the essence of this game.ppl have preferences... thats their point of view..

-) dont dare anyone says no , look at the MRT now and early days , look how many rly good players plays right now and played old days. That GK stuff , some poor Eldar changes , not touching anything almost in chaos , and few more things ... what? have you read the changelog on what have changed in elite mod since original retribution?
-) To race you need to know the car , not only his numbers.whats your point/ the context?
-) Dont even want to act. comment that , any one who thinks balance should be made on team games i will just say - TEAM GAMES are named like this cause of the TEAM WORK <!<! tactics and ideas.some buffs n stuff are limited to factional race only, ex some tyranid buffs only applys to allies that are playing tyranids aswell. If tyranids teams up with sm you get some different mechanics/ unit weaknesses/ strong sides, but not the factional ally buffs.. for ex.
-) If you got 1000 hours plus , and you cant hold even 200-300 tickets on 1v1 with some decent guy , thats means you are nuub. Dont try to bring hate , or rage overe here , true is true. Ofc you can have a bad day - normal , but some playes got a bad day like all month.so how do we go from here, keep procastrating or be proactive and adapt to the changes?
-) I think , 1v1 is more important , but 3 v 3 brings more enjoy of the playing only when you are with "TEAM MATES" on voice or something , ppl that know you well, so you can act like real TEAM , not just bunch of noobs trying to play 3v3 but separately.each to his own, maybe some just play for fun while others are more competetive.

The start of your text is just fine, but the strong topic title "hate" just screams alert and youth. The Topic title is really negative and depressive, could easily be changed to something more positive/ constructive like: "What changes i would like to see in elite mod".

Btw, i got some suggestions/ ideas i would like to share, dunno where to post them thought.

I almost feel bad for posting this but its probably for the best, you critique is valuable and priceless, your a star mate.
Some links for improving on feedback, beeing constructive, be positive, be concrete and proactive.

Feedback
https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newTMM_98.htm
http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/219437
http://www.forbes.com/sites/prettyyoung ... hat-works/
http://info.profilesinternational.com/p ... Easy-Steps
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Fuimano33.html

Constructive
http://personalexcellence.co/blog/const ... criticism/
http://www.wikihow.com/Criticize-Constructively

Proactive
https://businesscollective.com/8-ways-t ... -you-know/
http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Proactive

Be positive
http://www.positivityblog.com/index.php ... -positive/
http://www.successconsciousness.com/how ... sitive.htm
http://tinybuddha.com/blog/train-yourse ... n-5-steps/

SMART goals/ be more concrete
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMART_criteria
stiff http://www.projectlearnet.org/tutorials ... nking.html
Find something revolving "how to be more concrete".

[Gorbles]

- Balance creators should start playing some 1v1 , not just reading comments on forum or take ideas from 1-2 players.

This is just insulting and not true.

Now ya know how the developers felt for years when everyone told them this too

(don't shoot me)

[DandyFrontline]

Balance is pretty fine for me. Atleast It's much better then balance in vDoW2 retri or in CoH2.
Still, there are things i don't like:
1) GK - i know it's a young faction and it's pretty fine early game and blah blah blah but... till t3 comes. At t3 game for GK goes totally stupid - the bleeding totally stops for you, you dont need micro anymore - just build terminators + paladins + upgraded Bro Captain and it's takes forever to shoot those guys down (and even if enemy managed to do lot's of dmg to them - pff just teleport away or retreat that is totally ridiculous), then u call LRC, and tickets goes "0" for the enemy - victory. I just dont get it. GK need's to be totally reworked. + i think operatives are still too stronk. Well, not a surprise GK is just banned from lot's of games.
2) I dont understand such a love for Chaos. I dont call this faction OP, but.. why did they get 2 super units at t3 (so u can usually build LRP and almost immediately after it's done call in the terminators) ? Chaos is really tuff faction with really high DPS. But with every patch they got buffed for some reason. Yet again we see the PM buff like they are not strong enough.
3) Orks. I find this faction pretty balanced in 1v1 (and it's good). Personally i love the most 2v2. And orks are pretty balanced in that mod too. But in 3vs3 i find orks as pretty bad faction - nobs are veeery expensive and easy to be countered (compared to GK SHI for example). Ork vehicles are good for their cheapness but in 3v3 it's usually become pretty useless compared to other factions vehicles (when its come to late game). Overall, they just lose to factions like SM, Chaos or GK if they didnt managed to win before t3.

Anyway, im very grateful to Elite mod team, as they made this game still alive, brought lot's of new tactics, fixed tons of bugs, and made the game balanced compared to what it is in vanilla. Still, im playing this game to have fun.

[appiah4]

The circlejerk userbase who thinks 400 hours of experience is 'a bit low' to play against them and ask you to leave a game, then wonder why this mod never catches on.

[Dark Riku]

Now ya know how the developers felt for years when everyone told them this too

(don't shoot me)

*Shoots Gorb.* The big difference is quality, way better here.

[Gorbles]

Now ya know how the developers felt for years when everyone told them this too

(don't shoot me)

*Shoots Gorb.* The big difference is quality, way better here.

Opinion, yo.

Plus, this mod never had a budget or time constraints. You guys have been developing for how long, now? Relic did the base, including the game engine, in less time than the entire development of this mod.

Insults are universal. I can see how you take insult at what that poster said. But I can also see how the same words directed at Relic were also offensive.

There is no justification for being offensive, and there never will be. That's what I believe.

To answer the thread, that's what I hate in this game. And many others. Too much elitism from the playerbase that rushes to justify hating on developers, but the players themselves can't handle any insults whatsoever. Lighten up. Don't give what you can't take. Developers have to do that as job. Yours is just a hobby.

[Dark Riku]

Yes, this mod never had any budget at all Or a team who's actual job is to make games 8hours/day.
It's made by volunteers/enthusiasts who also go to work, while fixing shit Relic said was impossible to do XD

There is a difference between critique and insults. I'm not saying Relic didn't get unjustified insults thrown at them though.
But some things are just mind boggling at what they did. Especially in the end of the life cycle making DoW2 retail the mess that it is now.

There is also a difference between a free mod and something a company sells you.
People paid for this game. Most likely with money they had to work for.

The big difference is quality, way better here.

Opinion, yo.

It's hardly and opinion when you look at the all facts.

[appiah4]

The big difference is quality, way better here.

Opinion, yo.

It's hardly and opinion when you look at the all facts.

What are these facts, really? How do you quantify the quality of something as subjective as entertainment? And ultimately, what is the purpose of this dick measuring?

[Dark Riku]

You can start by going over all the bugs that are present in retail.
The meta that is controlled by the same build order over and over again since it's the most optimised thing to do. (bad balance)
Sure, you can have "fun" with other BO's. They aren't nearly as effective as the others though.
All the unfun/unfair mechanics, like instawiping abilities with no room for counterplay: grenade drop from autarch, BB cannon, ...

We're not quantifying the quality of entertainment here either

[Gorbles]

Yes, this mod never had any budget at all Or a team who's actual job is to make games 8hours/day.
It's made by volunteers/enthusiasts who also go to work, while fixing shit Relic said was impossible to do XD

There is a difference between critique and insults. I'm not saying Relic didn't get unjustified insults thrown at them though.
But some things are just mind boggling at what they did. Especially in the end of the life cycle making DoW2 retail the mess that it is now.

There is also a difference between a free mod and something a company sells you.
People paid for this game. Most likely with money they had to work for.

A budget implies there is a finite point in time at which development stops. Mod teams do not have budgets. They can carry on until they die. Developers don't have that luxury, regardless of how many hours there are in the day. People did pay for the game, which means by extension they paid for the platform ELITE has been able to use for free.

You may not charge money for ELITE, but without the paid product it is based on, ELITE is nothing. You didn't make the game engine. You didn't build modding support. There is no-one on the ELITE team that pioneered any of the community modding tools for DoW II. ELITE benefits from all of these factors - for free. So the cost argument is moot. Modders do this because we like doing it. I'm a modder, Riku, remember? I'm also a professional software developer I have some idea of what I'm on about.

Mod teams also attract people who agree with each other - that's the whole point of building something; for people who want it. The people who agree with ELITE's design decisions and balancing, play ELITE. The people who don't, don't.

The problem here is assuming by default that ELITE is the "right" way to play DoW II. It isn't. It is simply one of the ways, and one a lot of effort has gone into.

Don't worry though, I'll go back into hibernation now

[Sub_Zero]

Maybe I read carelessly but I can't really extract anything out of your words to understand the point you try to make. The thread is about hatred. Do you hate the game developers/the mod developers or something else?

I am just grateful that this mod keeps the game alive, adds new visual effects, improves gameplay, improves balance (indeed I don't support all changes and decisions - and this is probably one thing I actually hate that they don't build the mod around my proposals that seem so cool ).

[Dark Riku]

I do agree on all those points Gorb. People indeed play Retribution the way they want, their "right" way.

That doesn't mean that the quality of the game is better in retail though. Looking at the whole picture.

[ytimk]

I hate shills who equate paid devs with volunteer modders.

[appiah4]

You can start by going over all the bugs that are present in retail.
The meta that is controlled by the same build order over and over again since it's the most optimised thing to do. (bad balance)
Sure, you can have "fun" with other BO's. They aren't nearly as effective as the others though.
All the unfun/unfair mechanics, like instawiping abilities with no room for counterplay: grenade drop from autarch, BB cannon, ...

We're not quantifying the quality of entertainment here either

And I can go on by listing the bugs present in Elite.
The meta that is controlled by a lovechild factions becase it was created by the mod's maker (yes, Elite would have been MUCH better without the Grey Knights).
Sure, you can have "fun" with other factions, but they aren't nearly as effective as Grey Knights.
All the unfun/unfair mechanics, like unbleeding T3 factions with retreating superunits, and all the shit that has gone from uber powerful to fucking awful back to uber powerful with every other patch like the D-Cannons, Power Fist, Walkers, Tanks, pretty much everything - actually, the whole Elite is more balanced" thing is a myth, it's just a nod to the effort made at reaching balance, but the balance is never there - ever elusive, and fucking annoying; at least in retail a semblance of balance had finally stuck, with Elite, it's still a fluid river of everchanging shit.

Yes we are quantifying the quality of entertainment here, because Elite is just as broken and fucked as Retail, especially since last patch.

You may like it better, but saying it's objectively better is simply laughable.

[Codex]

The meta which is controlled by gk because it's a love child faction? That's just cherry picking your examples now... You're just ignoring the long period of time (like over a year) when they were really meh and lost to everything in longer games because they had no access to decent tank counters... All their termites and lrc gets countered by one or two tanks.

Sure they may be too strong now, but they were UP for just as long if not longer.

[Dark Riku]

And I can go on by listing the bugs present in Elite.
The meta that is controlled by a lovechild factions becase it was created by the mod's maker (yes, Elite would have been MUCH better without the Grey Knights).
Sure, you can have "fun" with other factions, but they aren't nearly as effective as Grey Knights.
All the unfun/unfair mechanics, like unbleeding T3 factions with retreating superunits, and all the shit that has gone from uber powerful to fucking awful back to uber powerful with every other patch like the D-Cannons, Power Fist, Walkers, Tanks, pretty much everything - actually, the whole Elite is more balanced" thing is a myth, it's just a nod to the effort made at reaching balance, but the balance is never there - ever elusive, and fucking annoying; at least in retail a semblance of balance had finally stuck, with Elite, it's still a fluid river of everchanging shit.

Yes we are quantifying the quality of entertainment here, because Elite is just as broken and fucked as Retail, especially since last patch.

You may like it better, but saying it's objectively better is simply laughable.

When you would then compare those bug lists you'll notice a ton of fixed retail bugs in Elite and a far shorter list for Elite as well.
Some GK nonsense already addressed by Codex. I also do not see GK's controlling the meta at all, not in casual or the tournament scene.
You're just saying some things are "uber good/bad" without any arguments. All the things you mention are actually pretty much fine.

I'll leave you with a fitting quote:

I'm honestly baffled by how people can even think that retail is "balance" in any regard. You have messed up economies in every single god damn faction, and non-reliable builds that are simply just due to-fall off based on transitional-faulty design on relics end. Or, bare in mind- some upkeep bugs that they seemingly left in the game. For an ex. HWT for IG reinforcement cost is higher then intended, and IG pop in general is largely faultering, which results in it's current retail play that was just T1-T2 en-masse, and T3 was largely non-existant in the 1v1 scene. That doesn't make for compelling games, or anything remotely interesting to play or watch, due to the lack of diversity, and flexibility. It becomes redundant and predictable, and good players can exploit that. Which is exactly what happend, and which is why Chaos is so utterly broken in retail as well.

What is the point of T3 for Chaos, apart from largely for the lulz? Their T2 compiles of a heavy_melee infrastructre and anti-everything, WITH great sustainability value through heretic worshipping support. They never EVER adressed that appropiately. Predators have no purpose apart from just being massive economical dump, which you can field > 2 < god damn T2 units (Bloodletter/Crusher/Dread/PM's hello?

Dont' even get me started on Orks. They were a mixture of extreme-cheese and annoying gameplay mechanics that are infuriating to play against. Orks were simply to strong to some degree to negate the performance to make counterplays. The only times in the mid-game you could prevent yourself from this, was by massive-transport plays (Razorback to enforce Tankbusta purchase to stall the game as an SM, or Chaos and buy simply just about anything, due to sustainability value, and Chimera for IG) <-- Noticing a pattern here?

Sustainability become the foundation for high-end competetive games. Whereas Eldar being reliant on it's mobility and economical effiency faction, and Tyranids sharing a somewhat similliar trait. What did this lead to as a result in high-end games?

Playstyles became more about the faction, rather than the player. Which just makes everyone alike to the next person, and that's quite ever-so boring. One player would just be better at doing the same type of sustain play-style, but they never deviated too much from one another.

If you look at the players who really tried to break that meta, they were largely punished, due to the META of the game was FORCED so hard. Heavy T1 for Nosy ALWAYS had transitional issues, due to either experience + cost effiency of units against the opposition. And the net-value for going those builds never really paid off, it became more of a burden, and he could have gotten more easy-wins if he went the cookie-cutter (safe-route) builds.

Again, it's also important to know the history and the meta-evolvement of the game, why it changed, and how it changed. I've been in the high-end competetive scene ever since playing the beta of vanilla DoW. I remember when even melee-commanders were the most dominant meta, and heavy aggro was the best way to go, and they all faltered and perished as a result due to getting continously butchered in the process, without getting some changes as a result. For an example of good Warlock Eldar, was Umpire - He played both Warp Spider Exarch & Warlock at exceptionally good levels, and even Stellviax and Arcanefrost deserves honorable mentions. But Umpire used to be my training buddy for when we were competeting in the EMS (Electronic Major Series). The meta back then was more flexible and allowed players to distinguish themselves far more in their own respective playstyles, and how the faction was presented.

With Chaos Rising, you saw the decline of walker useage, for various reasons. One of them being the introduction of Lascannons + Chaos (Which became a quite ever-so popular faction)
This resulted in most army compositions that dependant on walkers saw a major decline in useage, which resulted in more reliant build-routes that complimented with mobility play, or with transport play. This was a major cock-up if you ask me, and one thing that ultimately brought down the competetive play quite abit. Games became so absurdly predictable and shallow as a result.

In vanilla, we had walkers being exceptionally strong even - but melee commanders were still doing well! They did alot of undocumented changes from vanilla to chaos rising, which were never explained. For an example, they removed melee resistance on walkers, did some uneccassary tinkering on their ranged damage output on their underslung weapons and such, and well - long story short. Walkers became a one-trick pony, rather than viable backtracking unti for hard-hitting punishing counter-engagement unit, or profficient linebreakers (They couldn't effectively line-break anymore, remember Lascannons?

That's without mentioning their price cost increase, which resulted in power consumption being massively overspent in the mid-game, resulting in games more or less being played out in the T2 section. In vanilla, you had the accessible Nascar Predators and faster-vehicles for most factions, they all got their speed decrease, and even Relic were quite fond of the meta back then, and most people praised them for it.

Chaos Rising and onwards, their speed has been tinkered ever seen, you can just look that up, and they never got that really right. It still didn't matter, becaue again - power consumption is all over the place due to changes, and underperforming wargears and builsd - never got the attention they required.

This isn't to say that Relic has been doing things wrong all the time. I believe there were quite alot of people who were more fond of the "Let's start off slow" approach, and I wasn't particularly agreeing to that concensus, since the game needed alot more to become what it once was. (I'm talking about patch processing of course), and what happend is that alot of small things kept getting patched, and not a single god damn thing really changed, except for small cheesy-plays got reduced, and eleviate bugs and introduce new ones in the process that broke the game.

So yeah, rant off - but if you're going to make any sort of balance evaluation on things, at least know your shit, or you'll just end up looking like a fool. It's perfectly acceptable to just say that "It's not my cup of tea", or "I don't like it. I prefer retail". But if you're going to start ranting on balance comparison, then I simply just cannot help myself without giggling like a pre-teen schoolgirl over how ridcilously that statement is.

Source: http://www.gamereplays.org/dawnofwar2/r ... st9744792S

[ChrisNihilus]

What is the point of T3 for Chaos, apart from largely for the lulz?

T3 for Chaos is still meh, but i laugh thinking how bad it was before.

Elite is not perfect, but it's damn good.

[Oddnerd]

what i hate most in this game is actually players who

- will always try to join the winning team/team with good player stats or will otherwise leave the lobby.

- complain in each game they lose about their allies being SOOO NOOB/BAD. I mean, sometimes you just lose, it's not the end of the world.

This is what makes it hard for me to play in anything other than short bursts - dealing with the people who play this game. Considering how small the player base is, we can't afford to have people with attitude problems doing everything in their power to drive away potential new players who might get hooked and become part of the regular, experienced player base.

- think it's cool to have hakenkreuz-badges (swastikas), have german nazi-names or ns profile pictures. i am german and i'm sometimes worried about what people think about my people in this behaviour and i also think it's fucking insulting and makes me absolutely angry. some of these people use this forum and I just wanted to let you know that I have a list of you fuckers and avoid playing with you.

As much as I share your hatred of neo-nazis, I'd rather play with a bunch of swastika-sporting nazis than the people who put a 1000/60 requirement on their games.

[Sub_Zero]

I'd rather play with a bunch of swastika-sporting nazis than the people who put a 1000/60 requirement on their games.

So players who want to spend their time in their pleasure (playing against even opponents) repulse you while bastards who should be condemned by everyone are fine as long as they play with you? Then you may as well befriend them and get to know more closely their beliefs and later become one of them, who knows? This is how heresy begins, my friend. The internet is a zone of true invulnerabilty, we can't grab people by their throats and knock the sense into them (or any other way of dealing with a nazi scumbag) but it is in our power to publicly put them to shame and never let them play with us.

[Oddnerd]

I'd rather play with a bunch of swastika-sporting nazis than the people who put a 1000/60 requirement on their games.

So players who want to spend their time in their pleasure (playing against even opponents) repulse you while bastards who should be condemned by everyone are fine as long as they play with you? Then you may as well befriend them and get to know more closely their beliefs and later become one of them, who knows? This is how heresy begins, my friend. The internet is a zone of true invulnerabilty, we can't grab people by their throats and knock the sense into them (or any other way of dealing with a nazi scumbag) but it is in our power to publicly put them to shame and never let them play with us.

Its called hyperbole, of course I hate Nazis. This game is lingering near the point of death and people who segregate off into pro-only games all the time have likely contributed to a reduction in new players joining the player base. I understand why they want to, but as someone who actually did play this game a lot back in the good old days and is now picking it up again, I can see how discouraging it is to get into a mod like Elite when so many games are designated for experienced players only. That kind of behaviour seems like a luxury of a game that hasn't hemorrhaged 99% of its players.