What do you rly hate in this game ? II

[Swift]

Fredbrik uses the Swastika as his badge.

[egewithin]

Fredbrik uses the Swastika as his badge.

Who is he btw?

[saltychipmunk]

I hate turrets, not enough to make rage post about them , but i do hate them. I really hate people who use turrets in unfun way in team games by exploiting fundamental flaws of said team games / maps and then pretending to be leet after. those peeps are wanks.

I strongly detest gk right now. i dislike how they can get absolutely curb stomped in t2 but be perfectly ok because they can spam terminators and still be dangerous in team games . where as other shit players in sm and chaos would not be able to get terminators on account of being shit and not having red. oh god that part pisses me off so much.

i detest the fact that gk terminators get retreat when no other terminator variant gets this kind of holy shit good perk.
i detest the fact that gk terminators don't cost red when they really really really should.
i detest the fact that gk terminators almost as good at a ranged role as regular terminators while being just as good in melee as assault terminators.

not a huge fan of how purifiers can be such a massive liability and that most of the time it is ideal to skip them entirely.


not a huge fan of the 300 req guardians.

i dislike people who don't know when they have lost and dont concede. wasting my time in the process.

[Swift]

Why don't we celebrate what we LOVE about the mod.

@Firat that guy who turned up recently and everyone went "Aww sheet he's gud"

[Toilailee]

Why don't we celebrate what we LOVE about the mod.

@Firat that guy who turned up recently and everyone went "Aww sheet he's gud"

Yes, because he managed to give the pr0s a good challenge but still lose. If he had won the pr0s would call him a n00b abuser among other similiar things rather than good.

[MaxPower]

I hate people that cant deal with turret spam, cause they are noobs and I hate people taht can deal with turret spam cause they are clearly just abusing op broken stuff.

[saltychipmunk]

so either a noob or a cheater. seems weirdly fitting considering these are turrets we are talking about.
But it is kind of annoying that countering turrets can basically boil down to does your race have access to something that completely negates it easily or not.

if yes... then the turret is a massive waste of time . if not ....the turret can end a game. such an ugly little piece of mechanical tripe.

[Aguxyz]

I hate you all!!!!



but love you all long time

[The great Cornholio]

i agree with aguxuz... what a circus

[SinisterLaugh]

I hate that I can`t build turrets from global abilities bar.

Kappa

[Atlas]

I hate that I can`t build turrets from global abilities bar.

Kappa

That's not a terrible idea hmmm. They would definitely have to be pretty red cheap though.

Would definitely turn down the spam

[Dark Riku]

I hate that I can`t build turrets from global abilities bar.

Kappa

Lord general?

[Dullahan]

I dislike how the mod has strayed so far from vanilla in terms of aesthetics and faction design. The changes to Eldar and Chaos bug me the most, they have all these new units that they didn't need.

I liked the mod better when it was just an improved version of retail.

[SinisterLaugh]

I hate that I can`t build turrets from global abilities bar.

Kappa

Lord general?

True, but it`s only one hero. I hate that I can`t build turrets playing ANY faction and ANY hero.

[Gorbles]

I dislike how the mod has strayed so far from vanilla in terms of aesthetics and faction design. The changes to Eldar and Chaos bug me the most, they have all these new units that they didn't need.

I liked the mod better when it was just an improved version of retail.

This is another thing that put me off of ELITE, way back when.

The sheer amount of work that's gone into this? Incredible. Most mod teams don't last this long - I can tell you that from bitter experience. But the design direction, while many would argue that it is superior, has fallen into the usual trap of broadening the range of content.

[saltychipmunk]

you could argue that the new units simply haven't properly found their place yet.

but yeah some of the new units added seem to fill roles the race was never ever designed to have filled. or are brutally redundant.

But on another note it is fun to have new units to play around with because it opens up new builds and different play styles.

i can always play vanilla if i want the old rigid race design that saw eldar with no real direct av unit and chaos with no t1 jump unit.
But I and many here have played the ever living crap out of it.

[Dullahan]

you could argue that the new units simply haven't properly found their place yet.

but yeah some of the new units added seem to fill roles the race was never ever designed to have filled. or are brutally redundant.

But on another note it is fun to have new units to play around with because it opens up new builds and different play styles.

i can always play vanilla if i want the old rigid race design that saw eldar with no real direct av unit and chaos with no t1 jump unit.
But I and many here have played the ever living crap out of it.

I think as you said, they fill holes that didn't need to be filled. And a lot of them don't even really change how people play. The Autarch gave Eldar a super mobile unit that could cap, disrupt units, support units and entered with a bang. The Librarian and Weirdboy gave Space Marines and Orks a strong spell caster. Genestealer's had their stealth capabilities to allow non-Lictor tyranids to properly ambush people. Tyrant Guards gave Tyranids a way to actually break a strong defensive line head on. The super heavy units added with Retribution on the other hand were a bit superfluous, but I can forgive the addition when Eldar and Chaos had always had them.

Dark Reapers and Fire Dragons are simple right click to attack units. No longer do you need to think about countering vehicles or terminators, using a mixture of units and abilities. Letting everyone buy the Seer Council also creates some bullshit balance scenarios because they weren't balanced around being used with the Warlock or Warp Spider Exarch's abilities. Or with Chaos, now they still have a really strong tier 1 & 2 but now they also snowball into tier 3 with a land raiders and terminators. When is the last time anyone saw the GUO in lieu of the land raider or terminators?

There are some good additions. The painboy is great and lets Sluggas take on other factions in melee, I think despite not being needed Raptors are very well balanced. I think the new units are still fairly balanced and thought out considering, but to me it cheapens the core playstyles of the factions. Chaos can play almost exactly like SM plays these days, especially in the late game.

[saltychipmunk]

I do think there are ways to salvage some of the units though.

chaos terminators could start with claws instead of bolters kind of like how the chaos dread starts with a ranged weapon instead of a melee focus like the sm dread has.

fire dragons are simply op right now. i dont think we can slag them until they get a fair balanced shake.
and dark reapers are just iffy .. even vs terminators they arent good on account of how brittle they are. i think the reason the seer countil was given to all eldar commanders was because eldar had no t3 answer to other races super infantry.

that being said they need to be more expensive on the other commanders as the difference in cost between the global and the regular purchase seems rather small to me.

[Swift]

But for a mod that has been going so long, just rehashing stats would be direly boring, thus the added units and options. You must respect that it's Caeltos' baby and whilst the changes are not all perfect, he is inclined to test things out and in many ways GK are a massive experiment on how to make a faction, so whilst you may not like them now, or ever, because they aren't right, it's his mod and we still play it.

That sounds very aggressive read back, it's not meant to be.

[Dullahan]

i think the reason the seer countil was given to all eldar commanders was because eldar had no t3 answer to other races super infantry.

Eldar always had options, it just required using your hero and units effectively instead of just building a unit and right clicking on the terminators.

It's kind of like when people say GK has bad AV. They have micro-intensive AV, not bad AV.

[Dullahan]

But for a mod that has been going so long, just rehashing stats would be direly boring, thus the added units and options. You must respect that it's Caeltos' baby and whilst the changes are not all perfect, he is inclined to test things out and in many ways GK are a massive experiment on how to make a faction, so whilst you may not like them now, or ever, because they aren't right, it's his mod and we still play it.

That sounds very aggressive read back, it's not meant to be.

I'd have been perfectly content to keep playing the game if it were just vanilla wargear/factions being tweaked so that lesser-used stuff was more viable. Last time I stopped playing the mod it was after Tyranids were given squad leaders and I uninstalled out of disgust. Luckily that particular experiment didn't stick around.

[saltychipmunk]

i think the reason the seer countil was given to all eldar commanders was because eldar had no t3 answer to other races super infantry.

Eldar always had options, it just required using your hero and units effectively instead of just building a unit and right clicking on the terminators.

It's kind of like when people say GK has bad AV. They have micro-intensive AV, not bad AV.

Well i did say "answer" instead of "counter". strictly speaking none of the new units fill roles that were totally void in retail. if there really was such a void then said race would have been shit in retail. eldar did have counters. but answer to me just means you have a similar unit.

in retail only the farseer had a t3 super infantry unit that could be an answer to terminators or nobs

also depends on which gk av you are talking about. the vindi? he is micro intensive, the interceptors? nah they are pretty straight forward. the upgrade on the strike squad?. well that is just shit av.

[Paradise Lost]

- think it's cool to have hakenkreuz-badges (swastikas), have german nazi-names or ns profile pictures. i am german and i'm sometimes worried about what people think about my people in this behaviour and i also think it's fucking insulting and makes me absolutely angry. some of these people use this forum and I just wanted to let you know that I have a list of you fuckers and avoid playing with you.

You better get used to it, this isn't tumblr. People are free to have their own political inclinations and should not be censored because it hurts your feelings. Also don't trust the corporate media, Hitler did nothing wrong.

Keeping this post on topic: I dont like how they made the MoK Chaos Dreadnought so overly reliant on Blood Rage to be effective against other walkers. I liked how it used to be a last-resort attempt to deal damage but that made the thing uncontrollable and even angrier than before. Now it doesn't even last long enough for you to worry about it turning against you, and it's pretty much essential for dealing with certain units. I don't like how the CD is outright worse than the other Dreadnought variants in several ways.

Other than that is the GK changes in the latest patch, and the addition of certain new units that weren't needed and just simplified play, like DRs and FDs, Raptors, and the like. But these are small things compared to the huge amount of stuff I love about this mod

[Dullahan]

i think the reason the seer countil was given to all eldar commanders was because eldar had no t3 answer to other races super infantry.

Eldar always had options, it just required using your hero and units effectively instead of just building a unit and right clicking on the terminators.

It's kind of like when people say GK has bad AV. They have micro-intensive AV, not bad AV.

Well i did say "answer" instead of "counter". strictly speaking none of the new units fill roles that were totally void in retail. if there really was such a void then said race would have been shit in retail. eldar did have counters. but answer to me just means you have a similar unit.

in retail only the farseer had a t3 super infantry unit that could be an answer to terminators or nobs

also depends on which gk av you are talking about. the vindi? he is micro intensive, the interceptors? nah they are pretty straight forward. the upgrade on the strike squad?. well that is just shit av.

Rhino and Vindi mainly, although purgation/strike are pretty soft AV so they require some protection.

[Codex]

Split thread. It is now in Random stuff, under extracurricular things. More appropriate location, it can have its own thread as well.

[enasni127]

- think it's cool to have hakenkreuz-badges (swastikas), have german nazi-names or ns profile pictures. i am german and i'm sometimes worried about what people think about my people in this behaviour and i also think it's fucking insulting and makes me absolutely angry. some of these people use this forum and I just wanted to let you know that I have a list of you fuckers and avoid playing with you.

You better get used to it, this isn't tumblr. People are free to have their own political inclinations and should not be censored because it hurts your feelings.

1. Not where I live. In my country (germany) those symbols, nazi clubs and any form of spreading this bullshit actually IS forbidden. you are free to be a right winged bastard in your own walls as long as you don't use NS symbols, spread NS propaganda or listen/own/sell NS media, though. I think this is the right way to handle it. being a neo-nazi is no fashion or opinion, it's a crime against humanity and threat to freedom.

Also don't trust the corporate media, Hitler did nothing wrong.

2. Are you fucking crazy?!

Am I allowed to believe what my grandparents told me? They have arian passes and fought for Hitler and yet they say there were strange things going on like people disappearing and when people asked they were told not to ask again and be quite. they also saw and knew about criminal acts against jewes/gays/disabled people and everybody who wasn't strong, smart and healthy enough to fulfill his role in a working society. The fact is that people didn't dare to ask or investigate and they didn't dare to show others that they feel there's something going wrong. They also said they don't think Hitler killed as many jewes as the books say nowadays but how can ANYONE know that exactly? At least there are books (you might have heard about those things?) about people like anne frank or the story of primo levi, all lies? I don't think so.

[saltychipmunk]

You better get used to it, this isn't tumblr. People are free to have their own political inclinations and should not be censored because it hurts your feelings. Also don't trust the corporate media, Hitler did nothing wrong.

on a side note this does also means we are free to insult them , berate them and kick them from our lobbies .

of course most of them put it on to be trolls, its fun kicking them too. i mean the troll angle is clearly what par is going for here......

[Codex]

To be clear, I didn't split the thread and move it to random stuff so we could have this conversation twice. Now that the censorship thread is locked we need to move on.

[saltychipmunk]

I hate that 2v2 map argus , the one with the bloody building over looking 3 resource points and a vic. fuck that map and its couch. such a tele commander play ground.

I always disliked maps where the commanders with teleport can jump into a ridiculously critical building and have free reign till the opposition buys counter building crap.

I can get behind good building use if said building is controlling 1 important point on a map. but when one can lock down the bottom third of the map within 10 seconds of a game start.. Ugh.

evil map , EVIL

[Codex]

Just learn when to double top, and how to exploit the spar that this creates. It's one of my favourite maps because I seem to be the only one who finds it dynamic.