Censorship, the Third Reich, and clarifying what's acceptable on the forums

[enasni127]

I cannot reply in detail to everyone at the same time[...]

I was the one who brought this topic up and I think this discussion is based on my complaints about nazi-elite-mod-players and it was you who first talked some serious bullshit about free speech/opinions and lying media.

I just want to say to things about that:

1. "it's your own opinion blablabla"

Where I live (germany) it's not! It is a criminal act to show swastikas and NS symbols (even in a game) and it's even more punishable to glorify the NS regime in public. You aren't further allowed to own ANY sort of NS period equipment at home or elsewhere as long as isn't in a museum or something like that. So, yeah, easy words from you but absolutely not true everywhere and for everybody. I know this is internet and not controlled by german law but still it feels like a criminal and wrong act for me.

2. "media is wrong, hitler was a super cool and innocent guy..."

What I hate most is that your kind listens to some stupid idiots who have no idea what they are talking about and support their speeches with the single argument that "history is written by winners and the books are full of lies POINT!"

My grandparents were born in the early 1920's and were so raised in the 3rd reich. they were also "certified aryans" and both grandfathers fought in WW2.
I will now tell you what they told me about that time and I believe what they said cause they must know it.

1. both gandma's and grandpa's talked about "disappearing" people from their villages, schools, youth clubs and it was somehow now ok to question that. The usual answer was "xy was sick and died of a lounge infection...". somehow these infections spread like hell among the jewish people but the german kids were healthy and fine

2. when the german army attacked ukraine and russia there were many people who were happy to see the germans. as far as i've heared they were happy to see the germans cause they brought law and order to the slums of poland. there were also many people from those countries who joined the wehrmacht or local defense forces and so fought for hitler EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T GERMAN OR ARYANS(like the black guy on your picture). but the truth is the germans didn't like these people. in the eyes of the germans they were traitors and cowards cause they turned the back to their own countries and so they could not be trusted and honored by the germans.

Conclusion:

-somehow the germans get rid off all unwanted persons and this makes it very possible that there were deathcamps and alot of violence especially in the slums of poland.
-it was absolutely ok for the germans to use people from other nations/races to their own advantage.

[DandyFrontline]

Thought for a moment that im on early CoH2 forum

[Adeptus Noobus]

Exterminatus! Exterminatus on my position!

What he said!

[MaxPower]

I tend to agree that not everything Hitler did was bad.

I mean he charged BOSS (yes the fashion label thingy) with the task to make some nice looking uniforms and just look at them
I would kill to wear one of those in bright daylight...well maybe not.

Let me finish my post with a quote from the wise Venkitsune:

"Hitler wasn't that bad...well apart from killing those 6 milion jews (and all the other minorities) and starting the most devastating war in history to date."

Anyway kids, always remember: Dressing like Hitler in school, isn't cool!

[MaxPower]

I cannot reply in detail to everyone at the same time[...]

[..] Where I live (germany) it's not! It is a criminal act to show swastikas and NS symbols (even in a game) and it's even more punishable to glorify the NS regime in public.You aren't further allowed to own ANY sort of NS period equipment at home or elsewhere as long as isn't in a museum or something like that. So, ye ah, easy words from you but absolutely not true everywhere and for everybody. I know this is internet and not controlled by german law but still it feels like a criminal and wrong act for me. [..]

Well that's actually not entirely true. You are allowed to own stuff like "Mein Kampf" and other militaria from the 3rd Reich (like Flags, Uniforms, dishes and whatnot) for "historical research".

If you don't believe me you could always travel to the "Internationale Waffen Börse" in Kassel which takes place at the end of November.
Round about 60% of the stuff they show and sell is 3rd Reich memorabilia, which pisses me off cause if I'm going to a Waffen Börse it's because I want a new gun or rifle and not some old nazi stuff that sometimes is not even the real deal but fake stuff from Poland or China.

[The great Cornholio]

so.. this is what the community has become... oh boy.. we have hit rock bottom surely.
Hitler was pretty open about all of his sick plans and never tried to hide his ideas about the "final solution".. mein kampf clearly was a Manuel for extermination and enslaving the people in the east... he openly said that Russians ( inc jews ) were sub humans that should be killed or turned into slave labour so that Germans could repopulate eastern Europe and Russia. most other sick dictators were more discrete about their perverse ideas but Hitler was way more vocal and open about such things. there are plenty of documents and audio/movie clips that proves without a doubt that millions of people were exterminated simply because they were unwanted in Hitler eyes. and claiming that it is not true is just as pathetic as claiming the world is flat.

anyway... iam kinda surpriced people have taken this paradise lost person seriously. people with that kind of views should just be ignored.. iam all in for freedom of speech and i couldn't care less if he supports Hitler.. but in the end, the community is not a public place where everything goes.and no forum that i know of has 100% freedom speech.

and to be honest, we should not even be speaking about Hitler and Nazis in here.. its not the discovery channel, and the topics should focus on daw2 and not much else...

[Superhooper01]

Why am i reading this. Why are we discussing hitler on a forum on elite. My anger is rising just typing this ....Paradise whoever u are take a step back and see what u are writing.

Corn well said sir

[Atlas]

I agree, this thread must be bathed in fire.

[The great Cornholio]

ty... iam very smart..

[Atlas]

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Just like disco.

[Paradise Lost]

Might as well nuke the thread, it's kinda hard to argue with a whole forum. But for those interested in understanding my position, I'll leave this: http://pastebin.com/MSvkCCRy

Just control-f and type ''Holocaust'' to see the Holocaust section. I know a few people who play the mod who share my views as well, perhaps we'll be able to redpill some people there.

Lastly, this is for Dark Riku and all those extremely butthurt people who got into a hissy fit each time I posted.



Your tears are delicious. Sieg Heil! I am surprised at the amount of supernovas I caused in so many people's anal cavities. This is of course hilarious, and shows the weakness and fragility of the liberal mind. In a sense, I'm actually proud. And not a single insult was needed.


(Btw Codex you have a point about moderation, though I'd still prefer freedom of speech and that people self-moderate by using things such as basic manners and common sense. But hey, that's just me)

[MaxPower]

Oh atlas

[The great Cornholio]

maybe that dude should change his name to braincells lost...

[Batpimp]

jesus I can never believe people this stupid exist. just ban the fool.

[Codex]

To be honest the saddest thing I found about this thread was that my main points never got addressed.

[Lulgrim]

OK, I was looking through unclosed reports and I ended up reading this weirdness. I'm undecided on it.

perhaps we'll be able to redpill some people there.

Perhaps you need some other type of pill. You're an absolute foil hat. I don't know if I should ban you and keep the messages, or just wipe you.

1. We want to chill and you're shitting on it.
2. Nobody has time for your Jew Illuminati stories.
3. I personally not only dismiss but also dislike conspiracy kooks.

Like I said, I'm not sure what to do with this thread, so I'll think about it for a while (unless I forget).