Size Adjustment for Commanders

[valore]

This was just an offhand idea from a bunch of small changes I've always had in my mind.

Premise: Commander sizes are not completely intuitive, can there be small adjustments?

Currently among the Commanders ingame, the following are classified 'Medium' sized:

Terminator FC
Chaos Lord
Hive Tyrant

Is there any reason why the following shouldn't be adjusted from Small to Medium:

BC (I'm sure they don't make Terminator Armor in 'small')
Warboss (Try telling him he's small)

If so, balance wise they could be tweaked as well by getting a bit more HP to compensate for the change. The Warboss could get an extra 50-75hp (don't forget it scales with level), and maybe his 'Eavy Armour could also get an extra 100-300hp.

Not sure what's appropriate for the BC since I don't play him.

I think the BC already is capable of smashing through cover, not sure if the Warboss can though. If he doesn't, that could possibly be added as well.

[Narcolepsy]

Warboss does smash through cover, as a non-Ork player I couldn't really speak on how much this would inhibit Ork play- I don't really find a warboss to be particularly unbalanced to play against in any way, so I would probably leave this one alone. Yeah, WB is tuff, but he's supposed to be. With upgrades he's a supertank, but not invincible. For fluff terms I'd suggest his Kunnin' Brutality and Brutal Kunnin' keep him out of the way of too much trubble and make him 'arder to 'it.

Bro cap on the other hand, 100% agree. If the FC wears terminator armour and is medium, and the CL wears terminator armour and is medium, and the Bro Cap wears terminator armour.... he should be medium as well. It would probably encourage smarter play on both sides in T2 onwards with the improved chance of lascannon and brightlances to land a hit on him.

[saltychipmunk]

WB is fine, one thing to note about the big commanders is that they cant be suppressed as they essentially wear their cover.

The WB can be suppressed and he can be knocked back easily too. which makes him much easier to deal with than say a tyrant , bro cap or lord which can walk through all suppression and most of the lesser forms of knock back.

If we make his model bigger then i want him to handle at-least one of those better. otherwise just keep him the way he is, dont fix was is definitely not broke I say.

[Narcolepsy]

Cna anyone think of a reason why Bro Cap *shouldn't* be medium? I mean, in crunch terms.

[Cyris]

If the HT and CL are, BC also should be medium. I 100% agree.

WB is a different story. Tying medium to unsupressable makes for a solid rule of thumb, and the WB is imo the weakest of the Ork commanders. No need to touch him.

[Dark Riku]

Probably because the BC is the starting hero and only has speed 4. Changing all those values (hp/size, etc) can have big impacts.
Don't just suggest these changes on a whim, do some deeper research.

[saltychipmunk]

then it might be time to normalize the bro cap.

if the current patch notes stay how they are , the brocap is losing the speed buff he gets from his battle cry which is a net nerf of .5 - 1.0 speed( while under his battle cry thingy )depending on wargear choices as is.

i say bump him up to 4.5 and make him medium. no other changes would be necessary since he has similar hp and damage values .

[Dark Riku]

Making every race the same, so much fun

[Narcolepsy]

Probably because the BC is the starting hero .

Sorry, what do you mean?

[Dark Riku]

Not an upgrade (/wargear) with 2500Hp like the FC, while running around from the very immediate start of the game.

[Narcolepsy]

Ah, I follow you. I see your point about keeping the heroes varied, but I think I'm shading on the line that BC should be medium too, because of stylistic reasons alone, which is obviously heresy. That said I don't really have a dog in this fight.

[saltychipmunk]

Making every race the same, so much fun

oh come. 1 change to 1 unit in 1 race based on an established trait that is shard by the other commanders with his perks is not going to turn everyone into one race.

[Dark Riku]

Making every race the same, so much fun

oh come the fuck on dude.

What's up your butt?

[Narcolepsy]

Chaos Lord

Model stats
type infantry
armor commander
size medium
xp 500
global 30

health 1000
melee skill 70
speed 4.5
rotation 160
sight 40 (5)

Bro Cap

Unit stats
type infantry
squad 1

health 1000
courage -
Model stats
type infantry
armor commander
size small
xp 500
global 30

health 1000
melee skill 70
speed 4
rotation 160
sight 40 (5)

So on base stats, literally the only differences are speed (0.5) and size. Both tanks, both in termi armour. Both should be mediums then.

[Myrdal]

Cna anyone think of a reason why Bro Cap *shouldn't* be medium?

He is better at dodging missiles and laser beams than the skill lord and jabba the ht.

[Narcolepsy]

He's a psyker, not a jedi