SM/Terminators/Cyclone Missle Luncher change idea

[Sturnn]

Hi,

Some time ago there was debate about how Terminators perform vs Heavy and Super Heavy Infantry. So here is idea, what about making CML 2 mode weapon like it is discribed in wh40k wikia :

,,The Cyclone Missile Launcher is unique to Terminators, being the only truly long-range weapon in their arsenal, and it is the only Terminator weapon specifically for open battlefield use (though it cannot be used in Space Hulks or during starship boarding operations); it can unleash a volley of Frag or Krak Missiles for anti-infantry or anti-vehicle use. The weapon is a twin six-cell launcher mounted on top of the Tactical Dreadnought Armour, so the Astartes can also retain the use of the standard Storm Bolter."

This way we can make Termies really range superiority unit as Chaos Termies which with autocannon are quite vs ALL. Storm bolter will deal with Infantry, Frag Missiles will dmg heavy and super heavy infantry and Krak missles will dmg vehicle.

Looking forward to read your comments about this

[Batpimp]

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[saltychipmunk]

hmmm , the cyclone missle launcher is actually one of the few terminator upgrades i actually like. I am still scratching my head on why that auto cannon is pierce damage .

[Sturnn]

hmmm , the cyclone missle launcher is actually one of the few terminator upgrades i actually like. I am still scratching my head on why that auto cannon is pierce damage .

I would even say that CML is only one worth buying Thats why some improvement to it would make it even better.

[Kvn]

I would even say that CML is only one worth buying Thats why some improvement to it would make it even better.

I personally don't think that's the right way of looking at things. If one upgrade is clearly better than another except for very specific situations, usually it means that the lesser upgrades have to be looked at rather than improving the one which is out ahead. Otherwise, what would be the point of having those upgrades in the first place?

That said, I'm not really much for buffing Terminators myself. They're already quite good, and can be a massive roadblock for an army that isn't dedicated to taking them down. The CML especially is a very powerful weapon, giving them long range damage/disruption, and some decent AV damage. It might not be the most reliable of vehicle killing sources, but I know from experience that it can kill full health Fire Prisms, or even tanks, if the missiles hit correctly.

Think of it this way. A 4500 hp, long range, superheavy infantry, anti-all unit which can be supported by a Landraider wouldn't be very balanced. The reason Chaos Terms can get the Autocannon without being largely OP is due to the fact that they have less health, much less support from their army (Chaos don't get as much healing/buffing/etc. as SM do after all), and are competing with not one, but two super units. That last bit is less of a driving factor, but still something to consider.

That's the way I see it at least. Terminators are powerful enough without needing to be a counter to everything all on their own.

[Sturnn]

I personally don't think that's the right way of looking at things. If one upgrade is clearly better than another except for very specific situations, usually it means that the lesser upgrades have to be looked at rather than improving the one which is out ahead. Otherwise, what would be the point of having those upgrades in the first place?

If u consider other 2 upgrades and what they provide its kinda clear that Termies lacks tools to deal with heavy/super heavy infantry.

That said, I'm not really much for buffing Terminators myself. They're already quite good, and can be a massive roadblock for an army that isn't dedicated to taking them down. The CML especially is a very powerful weapon, giving them long range damage/disruption, and some decent AV damage. It might not be the most reliable of vehicle killing sources, but I know from experience that it can kill full health Fire Prisms, or even tanks, if the missiles hit correctly.

Those missiles hits randomly so basicly this is not perfect AV weapon. Adding 2nd mode to dmg SHI would not change much.

Think of it this way. A 4500 hp, long range, superheavy infantry, anti-all unit which can be supported by a Landraider wouldn't be very balanced. The reason Chaos Terms can get the Autocannon without being largely OP is due to the fact that they have less health, much less support from their army (Chaos don't get as much healing/buffing/etc. as SM do after all), and are competing with not one, but two super units. That last bit is less of a driving factor, but still something to consider.

That's the way I see it at least. Terminators are powerful enough without needing to be a counter to everything all on their own.

Apart from fact that every Chaos commander gets the same termies and those commanders can support them pretty well. Secondly Chaos has much better way to deal with SHI also. I would say that Chaos army as a whole has much better synergy then SM's and even weaker Chaos Termies fit better to Chaos Army them their loyalist counterparts.