Alpha Legion in Retribution.

[bibotot]

Just asking this because this is the most active forum of Dow2 right now.

This is related to the campaign. If someone here has the manual to the game, can you answer me how the heck did Kyras recruit the Alpha Legion to his side? I know the Blood Ravens have a long history with the Alpha Legion, with Tartarus and Karauva being examples. But this still does not explain why a large detachment of the Alpha Legion would be following Kyras all of a sudden like that. Can anyone shed some light on this?

[Sturnn]

It was never explained. Reric has long history of shitting on fluff etc so I would not be suprised if they would simply, randomly pick some traitors legions Its the same lol as fact that Abaddon is interested in Blood Ravens

[Narcolepsy]

SSSSIIIIIINNNDRRRIIIIII

[Interdiction]

Having a fluffy Alpha Legion cell as the main opponents would have been much better than the corrupt chapter master shtick to be honest.

[Kvn]

There was no Alpha Legion in Retribution. Just Blood Ravens under Kyras "borrowing" their armor and weaponry

[Sturnn]

@UP

Not true. There is few missions, for example with Land Rider when we cleary see that there is Alpha Legions and traitor Blood Ravens.

[Narcolepsy]

The alpha legion allied with Kyras to destroy the subsector to corrupt the blood ravens to chaos to ultimately defeat chaos from within even though they would all be sacrificed to Khorne when Kyras destroyed the subsector.

JUST. AS. PLANNED.

[Sturnn]

The alpha legion allied with Kyras to destroy the subsector to corrupt the blood ravens to chaos to ultimately defeat chaos from within even though they would all be sacrificed to Khorne when Kyras destroyed the subsector.

JUST. AS. PLANNED.

I think that missions of defeating Chaos was lost in Alpha Legions since Alpharius died They no longer follow that path.

[Interdiction]

I think that missions of defeating Chaos was lost in Alpha Legions since Alpharius died They no longer follow that path.

Him being dead is heavily up to debate,and even if he was he would have plans in my opinion to put someone competent in charge, due to their theme and all.

[Sturnn]

Him being dead is heavily up to debate,and even if he was he would have plans in my opinion to put someone competent in charge, due to their theme and all.

Official fluff says Alpharius was killed by Guilliman after Horus Heresy. Maybe Omegon survived - we do not know. Actually I think that only Alpharius/Omegon were introduced to Cabal's visions and noone else from Alpha Legion. It is very possible that rest of the Legion joined Horus' rebelion simply becasue of hate to Imperium and Emperor. As the result, after Alpharius death, they just become another traitorus warband

[Kvn]

@UP

Not true. There is few missions, for example with Land Rider when we cleary see that there is Alpha Legions and traitor Blood Ravens.

I know. I was just making a joke was all.

I see that I haf feihled the Empra...

[Sturnn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TitpfaAlDQ4

[Gorbles]

Him being dead is heavily up to debate,and even if he was he would have plans in my opinion to put someone competent in charge, due to their theme and all.

Official fluff says Alpharius was killed by Guilliman after Horus Heresy. Maybe Omegon survived - we do not know. Actually I think that only Alpharius/Omegon were introduced to Cabal's visions and noone else from Alpha Legion. It is very possible that rest of the Legion joined Horus' rebelion simply becasue of hate to Imperium and Emperor. As the result, after Alpharius death, they just become another traitorus warband

Official fluff said that that was reported by an Inquisitor later found to be corrupted by Chaos, unless the Horus Heresy novels have re-covered the event.

[Sturnn]

Official fluff said that that was reported by an Inquisitor later found to be corrupted by Chaos, unless the Horus Heresy novels have re-covered the event.

Please provide source

[Narcolepsy]

From Lord of Night

"Shortly after the conclave, Inquisitor Girreaux publicly accused Kravin of consorting with traitors and conspiring to organise cultist uprisings on the worlds of Kartha IV, V and Archos II in the Korren sub-sector (cf Inq. file 7083662f/M.41). Girreux challenged Kravin to appear for trial and face the evidence against him, however Kravin's current whereabouts is unknown. Of chouse this development has called into question the reliability of all Inquisitor Kravin's research, and as he was the leading scholar on the Alpha Legion's history and current activities, much of what was known about them must now be considereda lie. If, as Girreux claims, Kravin has been compromised by those very traitors he sought to investigate, then everything he has said must be considered mis-information and propaganda invented by the Alpha Legion."

[Narcolepsy]

And:

"In the case of the Alpha Legion, reliable facts are even harder to come by, as the legion was notoriously secretive. For example - unlike most of the First Founding Legions of the Adeptus Astartes, the Alpha Legion's home world is unknown. The reason for this omission is unclear, but Inquisitor Kravin of the Ordo Malleus has recently unearthed an ancient journal that he claims provides an account of the first contact with, and recovery of, the legions' Primarch. Kravin has estimated the veracity of this journal at 62.6%, but has so far refused to produce it for independent examination."

So, the heretical inquisitor says it's only 62.6% likely it's real, but that of course could be JUST. AS. PLANNED. as he is a heretic, after all.

[Narcolepsy]

From Index Astartes IV:
[0411.0] Our strike force, numbered over three thousand Marines, and despite the lack of heavy armour in support (due to our mode of arrival), we soon had the traitors' command centre in disarray. There was no way the lightly armoured buildings could stand up to our Devestators' firepower and a direct assault by the most honoured and revered Ultramarines Dreadnoughts. Our enemies were outnumbered five to one and soon started to fall back up the mountain valley, probably to buy time for a relieving force to arrive (my Captain conjectured). But we were zealous with the thought of revenge and pressed them hard, knowing that the terrain would hamper the movement of reinforcements. With perhaps five hundred Space Marines remaining, the Alpha Legion force made a stand at the head of the valley. Their heavy weapons were deployed well, high on the mountainside, and felled many our number as we fought upwards toward them - but their guns were too few and our resolve unswerving. As we closed upon the traitors, Alpharius himself led a counter attack, charging headlong back down the rocky slope with his bodyguard and slamming into our line. Not even Ultramarines could stand before a Primarch, and his power sword felled every noble Space Marine within reach. Our advance halted and I was forced to recite the Canticle of Faith to steady my squad. But then an imposing figure appeared and my heart was gladdened. Our great Lord and Primarch Roboute Guilliman himself strode forward, ignoring the melee around him, straight towards Alpharius. The two Primarch's stood before each other. They were equal in stature, both clad in shining power armour and each wielding a glittering power sword, but where one was noble the other was craven, where one was loyal the other was a betrayer. All other combat ceased as we watched them. There was a long pause, neither Primarch moving an inch, then both struck in an instant. Each sword made a single stroke and then both were till again. For a second, the two great men stood facing, before Alpharius slumped to the ground.

Like every other Ultramarines Space Marine on the field, I let out a loud cry of victory. Guilliman's plan had worked - the very heart of the enemy had been torn out. The remaining bodyguard fought on, but we fell on our adversaries with renewed vigour, and when the last one had been cut down, we turned our attention to the rest of the Alpha Legion command. Trapped by the sheer mountains at the head of the valley, they had no escape from our bolter fire. We left not one alive.

The body of the dead Primarch was burnt on a great pyre, and Lord Guilliman allowed us a moment of prayer and reflection on our success before issuing orders to move out and commence the destruction of the leaderless enemy army. We are fully confident that the task will be straightforward - the loss of its Primarch is something no legion can recover from. [END ENTRY]

Of course, The Alpha Legion promptly whup the Ultramarines, despite Alpharius being "dead." Guess this is the great thing about this lot, we'll never know the truth, and that's the point.

[Gorbles]

Cheers for looking it up, I don't actually own Lord Of Night so it would've been a bit of tedious Googling (that Sturnn could've actually done himself, but eh)

[Sturnn]

Actually nonoe if this quotes says that Alpharius was not killed by Ultramarines Primarch

[Gorbles]

It says both, and it says neither.

You can believe what you want to believe, it isn't up to me to convince you of what GW-approved writers have created. There is reasoning that points towards at least one of the Primarch twins being alive, if not both of them. Whether they fell to Chaos, or stayed true to the Emperor (given that the Alpha Legion ultimately fell) is also up for debate.

I recommend reading the Horus Heresy novels. They're the most up-to-date information anyone has. We didn't even know about the twinned Primarchs until that series was released, and they started the series well after Lord of Night was published. So anything in the HH novels will supercede that.

[Sturnn]

I read all HH books mate and still dont see reason why dont think that Alpharius did not die in fight with Guilliman (as long as it will not be described in HH book which ofc will take another 10 years).

[Narcolepsy]

Sturnn, the whole point is "it's a mystery." It will remain a mystery. Much as the Tyranids will never eat everything, the Orks will never unite and stomp everything, the Emperor will never die, etc. It's part of the narrative.

It doesn't matter whether anyone says "He's dead" "No, he lives!" or not. We're not supposed to know for sure.

On a side note, Alpharius charged down Horus (HORUS) and got under his guard, bare handed. You think Guilliman is gonna take him out with one blow? With everything in the fluff, you gotta take it with a pinch of salt and heavy bias. Also, plot devices.

[Superhooper01]

Nice debate. I feel that omega died not alpha. Easy for one to take another's place. As for the alpha legion a large portion of the legion has remained out of the warp in order not to be completely corrupted. The chaos marines in the dawn of war games are ones that entered the warp and have lose their way as they needed some proper chaos worshipers or else people would notice. same with retribution.

Honestly its all a bit messed up because the original plan was for Horus to defeat the emperor but since he loosed the plan or vision of Horus destroying humanity vus saving the galaxy from chaos no longer applies so yeah maybe the primarchs no longer support chaos but the emperor but still need alpha legions to support chaos :O

[Sturnn]

Acutally what a moron would betray his own race (Alpharius) in order to destroy Chaos Like really, Eldar faggots who gave birth to one of Chaos Gods wants to use mankind to destroy what they helped to create

[Superhooper01]

Well its a bit tricky, but if he didnt help Horus win, humanity is enslaved and slowly chocked into eternal worship and slavery to the dark gods. (Basically what is happening now) He probs felt best to have a quick death and perhaps defeating chaos allowing for new races or the last humans to rebuilt or something but the mind of a primarch is alien to us lol