I want Heart of Darkness back

egewithin · Postby **egewithin** » Sun 29 Nov, 2015 6:54 pm

Well, not sure if it fits for balance discussion but it should be like a 50% fitting.

Well, ummm... Not the most necessery thing ever asked in this community and I asked it before. I couldn't see a traditional way to complite my '' Warrior Build '' called Merciless Withcblade / Champions Robe tanky melee build. I asked it before to the forum and you said to go with Warpthrow. Well, I want to save my energy for the shiled, not to throw enemys to be honest. And HoD was super cool eather, I coulnd't really understand why it was removed or changed in that way.

Can't we have Heart of Darkness as same as before and have Enhance as a 4th wargear under HoD ?

Slaaneshi Cacophony · Postby **Slaaneshi Cacophony** » Sun 29 Nov, 2015 7:51 pm

Enhance sux, Warlock can't even use it on himself. Gib back energy and health pls

Deflaktor · Postby **Deflaktor** » Sun 29 Nov, 2015 9:42 pm

firatwithin wrote: Can't we have Heart of Darkness as same as before and have Enhance as a 4th wargear under HoD ?

Agree, a 4th wargear would be nice. I never understood why it was replaced instead of added.

Toilailee · Postby **Toilailee** » Mon 30 Nov, 2015 12:43 am

Because that jedi build was fucking bullshit and WL didn't deserve it.

Black Relic · Postby **Black Relic** » Mon 30 Nov, 2015 4:35 am

I am inclined to agree with toil here. Now I loved the jedi build when I used it. Hated facing it.

Tex · Postby **Tex** » Mon 30 Nov, 2015 6:34 am

Jedi was bullshit, this is true, but warlock with no jedi, no stacking speed on shees, and now shees that are pathetic at chase killing because of no charge equates to the warlock being one of the weakest heros for 1v1. No jokes. He is by far the most reliant on banshees of the elder heros.

PhatE · Postby **PhatE** » Mon 30 Nov, 2015 6:40 am

Yeah pretty much. The amount it healed as well as what the gear gave you was super strong and lent a lot of power to the WL.

Enhance is at best OK but not remotely close to what it was. The application is good but the window is too slim for it to make a large enough impact.

saltychipmunk · Postby **saltychipmunk** » Mon 30 Nov, 2015 12:28 pm

Hod needed to die. but it also needed to be replaced by another passive/ non energy dependent wargear. preferably another damage charge up one.

It would be nice if enhance was an aoe ability (centred on the warlock) that buffed him and units in a small area after he had taken a certain amount of damage.

that way we got a 3rd slot war-gear that could still work with the bubble build without making it another 2000 hp t2 commander silliness combo.

But enhance as a targeted ability strikes me as more of a rip off of something a farseer would have rather than something the lock would have. it is basically guide but with movement speed and no extended range...

egewithin · Postby **egewithin** » Mon 30 Nov, 2015 5:10 pm

Toilailee wrote:Because that jedi build was fucking bullshit and WL didn't deserve it.

Wasn't Jedi build Kurnous / Providance / Warpthrow? Specially called as Angry Space Elf build before? Ahahah! Love that name

Well, Warlock was absolutly okay with MWB / Champ build and I toughed HoD wasn't good enough even. Well, that was overkill, I agree but also needed. I agree with giving passive bonus to him like a health regen or energy regen. Well, energy regen might be too good but not OP, also health regen would be satisfiyng for me since Warlock has no health regen on the field exept his Webways. I mean, he has no health regen on any of his armor and I am missing that sometimes.

Gorbles · Postby **Gorbles** » Mon 30 Nov, 2015 7:40 pm

When in doubt, nerf Eldar.

Warp Throw was always the centre of complaints, but WoD had it's share back in vanilla. Thankfully for Warp Throw it glitched out half the time and thus was "acceptable" for not being hit with the gigantic spiked nerf rod.

saltychipmunk · Postby **saltychipmunk** » Tue 01 Dec, 2015 12:09 pm

Well in the most technical of senses it did get hit with a massive nerf rod. two if i recall.

1 was that it moved a tier
2 was that relic made it so it could not work on retreating units ( along with a host of other abilities like it that could just annihilate retreating units effortlessly ).

You could say it was more of a fix but the net change in power was quite substantial at the time.

Superhooper01 · Postby **Superhooper01** » Tue 01 Dec, 2015 2:47 pm

Got to be honest im missing it alot :cry:

Toilailee · Postby **Toilailee** » Tue 01 Dec, 2015 7:20 pm

Tex wrote:o stacking speed on shees, and now shees that are pathetic at chase killing

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAH... aah thx for that, good one.

Asmon · Postby **Asmon** » Tue 01 Dec, 2015 7:37 pm

HoD was slightly too good and had a stupid load-when-damage-taken mechanism (that providence still keeps but it does make more sense as providence grants invulnerability).

As already stated, Enhance is okay-ish at best and spends energy which is, well, stupid to manage.

You won't get HoD back and we actually do not want to. I've suggested modifications to enhance but Caeltos disagreed. Now WL is only played to abuse Cloak of Shadows. FS it is.

saltychipmunk · Postby **saltychipmunk** » Tue 01 Dec, 2015 7:52 pm

I would be nice if the warlock got some of his other nerfed wargear (because of hod) buffed again.

I kind of miss the days when the merciless witch blade was actually scary by itself rather than scary because it was part of a 2000 hp t2 commander combination that happen to want a weapon that did not eat energy)

Oddnerd · Postby **Oddnerd** » Tue 01 Dec, 2015 9:58 pm

Why not improve enhance so it isn't like a crappy version of Inspire Determination? Support abilities that makes offensive commanders less 1-dimensional are great for the game because they discourage 1-man-army play styles.

Tex · Postby **Tex** » Tue 01 Dec, 2015 11:03 pm

saltychipmunk wrote:I would be nice if the warlock got some of his other nerfed wargear (because of hod) buffed again.

I kind of miss the days when the merciless witch blade was actually scary by itself rather than scary because it was part of a 2000 hp t2 commander combination that happen to want a weapon that did not eat energy)

Not a bad point tbh.

Now that the warlock cant tank past t1, maybe its time to think about giving some potency back to the MWB ranged attack.

Laplace's Demon · Postby **Laplace's Demon** » Wed 02 Dec, 2015 10:21 pm

When in doubt, nerf eldar.

The WL wasn't even a top tier hero before HoD got nerfed, yet it still got nerfed. Lots more nerfs coming for eldar before HoD comes back, I guarantee it.

Postby **Dark Riku** » Thu 03 Dec, 2015 12:18 am

Laplace's Demon wrote:When in doubt, nerf eldar.

The WL wasn't even a top tier hero before HoD got nerfed, yet it still got nerfed. Lots more nerfs coming for eldar before HoD comes back, I guarantee it.

Wl, not top hero? Kappa.
I would certainly hope Eldar gets their well deserved nerfs.

HansMoleman · Postby **HansMoleman** » Thu 03 Dec, 2015 1:48 pm

Loves new heart of darkness. Hates old heart of darkness. Warlock has alot of new play styles to mess around with that ppl havent found yet. Just use that ability more on other units like FD, Reapers or WG and see those results. (Must of used Warlock now for 3000+ hrs)

Postby **Nurland** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 5:15 pm

Kurnous is getting a buff next buff as well as enhance it seems. I like the idea of enhance getting buffed since it is kinda meh atm due to the short duration. The old HoD WL was pretty silly.

I still feel that MWB is pretty scary weapon overall since the ranged attack is still troll mode and energy drain scales well + the special attack still messes stuff up hardcore.

WL is still the Eldar hero I struggle the most against.

Cyris · Postby **Cyris** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 6:08 pm

Nurland wrote:WL is still the Eldar hero I struggle the most against.

Can confirm. Nurlands stream is half him rage quitting against WL.

<3

Postby **Nurland** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 6:17 pm

*Rage conceding

Tex · Postby **Tex** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 6:52 pm

Not sure how one struggles against the warlock in this patch. *shrugs*

Postby **Dark Riku** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 8:11 pm

Cuz wl comes with the Elderp master race and the wl kicks some serious but.

Postby **Nurland** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:17 pm

Destructor is what makes WL tough for me in 1s.

Asmon · Postby **Asmon** » Wed 09 Dec, 2015 12:02 am

Someone nerf Destructor already!

When it comes to mind that relic initially did plan Destructor to level with the WL... Nurland's nightmare =)

Toilailee · Postby **Toilailee** » Wed 09 Dec, 2015 12:47 am

Destrucktor is fine l2p.

Postby **Adila** » Wed 09 Dec, 2015 9:51 am

The new HoD is not that bad, but its not your first priority wargear, I tried a few times to switch between it and the runes, like heal up while the fight happens, and switch to HoD in the meantime to chase the units better on the following reatreat. But I have to say that sm and chaos feels a bit harder with this change sometimes, but 1 Hero manhandling 2-3 sm squads alone wasnt fine either. There are some nice new plays possible with the new HoD, the old one was simple but also boring (to see it in 70% of the games).

Slaaneshi Cacophony · Postby **Slaaneshi Cacophony** » Wed 09 Dec, 2015 10:37 am

Paying 30 power in T2 for a shittier version of Guide is a lot more boring than the Jedi build, I think