CSM get a rhino

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CSM get a rhino

Postby CSM Emperor » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 9:21 pm

CSM need a rhino transport with capacity of 1 or 2 units which will not reinforce. Maybe they get it at t1 and upgrade it with vehicle armor at t2. It will be able to can 1 unit or 2 units, even with 1 unit capacity its ok. They need a rhino, what kind of a small skirmish doesnt get a csm rhino ?
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby Adeptus Noobus » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 9:24 pm

You fail to mention WHY in YOUR opinion Chaos needs a transport vehicle.
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby Ace of Swords » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 9:41 pm

I agree, it also needs chain axes with splash damage instead of wheels.
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby Codex » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 9:57 pm

Codex is back. That means I'm moderating. :D

On a more serious note, please refer to this:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2099

There's nothing to argue for or against in your post, just a desire to see a CSM rhino.
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby BbBoS » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 10:06 pm

If Chaos get a Rhino the Plague Champion would become overpowered, his weakness of mobility would be non-existent and with a transport I can ferry Chosen Plague Marines into people's armies without having to have them slowly walk.
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby HARRYY » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 10:08 pm

IG needs a baneblade T1
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby DandyFrontline » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 10:32 pm

WE brought the Rhino you asked for!

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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby HARRYY » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 10:58 pm

Hahahaha badass
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby CSM Emperor » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 11:14 pm

Codex wrote:Codex is back. That means I'm moderating. :D

On a more serious note, please refer to this:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2099

There's nothing to argue for or against in your post, just a desire to see a CSM rhino.

its more fun !
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby CSM Emperor » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 11:15 pm

DandyFrontline wrote:WE brought the Rhino you asked for!

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YES THATS A REAL CHAOS DAEMONIC RHINO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby CSM Emperor » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 11:18 pm

BbBoS wrote:If Chaos get a Rhino the Plague Champion would become overpowered, his weakness of mobility would be non-existent and with a transport I can ferry Chosen Plague Marines into people's armies without having to have them slowly walk.

u can still transport in 2v2 and 3v3 with an allied transport. U can kill the rhino too, play instead of crying against this suggestion.
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby Kvn » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 11:21 pm

DandyFrontline wrote:Image


Step aside Bloodcrusher, there's a new champion of Chaos on the block.

Is it wrong that I kind of want to see what its in-game stats would be?
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby BbBoS » Tue 29 Mar, 2016 11:24 pm

CSM Emperor wrote:u can still transport in 2v2 and 3v3 with an allied transport. U can kill the rhino too, play instead of crying against this suggestion.


People rarely pull stuff like that off in 2v2 and 3v3 and this isn't where Chaos having a Rhino is a problem. It's 1v1.

If you are going to post a suggestion like this, then don't call people crying or reply sarcastically that "U can kill the rhino" if you want people to take you seriously.
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby CSM Emperor » Wed 30 Mar, 2016 12:16 am

BbBoS wrote:
CSM Emperor wrote:u can still transport in 2v2 and 3v3 with an allied transport. U can kill the rhino too, play instead of crying against this suggestion.


People rarely pull stuff like that off in 2v2 and 3v3 and this isn't where Chaos having a Rhino is a problem. It's 1v1.

If you are going to post a suggestion like this, then don't call people crying or reply sarcastically that "U can kill the rhino" if you want people to take you seriously.

i wasnt sarcastic when i said u can kill the rhino, should i let u win to take me seriously ? Also i never had the issue not to be taken seriously, plenty of people take me seriously in real life and in gaming. The rhino costs, it isnt for free and if it is a 1 unit capacity it wont be that easy to make it for just to transport the plague champion etc. Seems u dont like to hear other opinions than ur own.
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby Oddnerd » Wed 30 Mar, 2016 12:48 am

It does seem punishing to be the only race without a transport. Of course, with a new transport vehicle there would probably be a need for serious re-balancing of other aspects of the race, since as people have pointed out, limited mobility is one of the weaknesses factored into certain chaos units overall balance.
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby BbBoS » Wed 30 Mar, 2016 12:52 am

CSM Emperor wrote:i wasnt sarcastic when i said u can kill the rhino


It seems extremely sarcastic since every unit in the game can be killed.

The potential of a transport for the Plague Champion sounds overpowered. It also sounds like a unit that would have to be so cut down that it would never be used and if it were on par with 2.4.2 GK Rhino it would potentially be too strong due to the ability to ferry Chosen Plague Marines & other slow Chaos units. The only reason you have given for it to be added to the game is:

CSM Emperor wrote:its more fun !


CSM Emperor wrote:The rhino costs, it isnt for free and if it is a 1 unit capacity it wont be that easy to make it for just to transport the plague champion etc. Seems u dont like to hear other opinions than ur own.


I can see other opinions other than my own, but saying "its more fun !" doesn't justify why it should be added to the Chaos roster. You need to convince people why Chaos needs a Rhino when they seem to be doing just fine without a transport at the minute.

CSM Emperor wrote:should i let u win to take me seriously ?


I can win on my own, easily.
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby Forestradio » Wed 30 Mar, 2016 12:57 am

Oddnerd wrote:It does seem punishing to be the only race without a transport.
Tyranids.

Can someone just lock this thread already? My eyes are bleeding just skimming it.
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby Ordie » Wed 30 Mar, 2016 1:31 am

@CSM Emperor: The issue at the moment is that you are trying to reverse the burden of proof, a logical fallacy. You have made a statement, "Chaos needs a transport" and are demanding other people prove that statement to be untrue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosoph ... n_of_proof

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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby Tinibombini » Wed 30 Mar, 2016 1:41 am

Forestradio wrote:
Oddnerd wrote:It does seem punishing to be the only race without a transport.
Tyranids.




Good point Forest. Obviously, Nids need a Rhino because they can use an ally's in 2v2/3v3. Also, every race should probably get a beacon as well...
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Re: CSM get a rhino

Postby Wise Windu » Wed 30 Mar, 2016 1:42 am

This isn't really going anywhere productive. Locked.

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