Old Vanilla Player, First Time Elite Questions

[BounceBurnBuff]

Hi all!

Just a little introduction for myself. I recently reinstalled DoW 2 and after running down the rabbit hole of "how are these videos using Grey Knights?" I ended up finding the Elite mod and giving it a shot. So far I'm enjoying it, particularly said shinning Mary Sues.

Just a couple of questions in terms of balance/tips for factions/playing vs people using Elite:

1. It's probably be me being out of touch, but the 'Nids are a pain to beat on Victory point for any faction I've tried outside of Ork Sluggas/Deff Dread Burna spam. How am I supposed to be playing vs their level of mobility/numbers early? Particularly as GKs or SMs.

2. What is generally considered imbalanced atm? IG's General seems a bit weak atm, whereas Eldar are hitting me like trucks with some of their aspect warriors. Just wondered if I've got this the wrong way round.

3. Is there no public search setting for multiplayer? Is it friends only?

Ta

BBB

[Ace of Swords]

Nids are very easy to beat with all races right now, at least compared to what they were a few pathches ago, IG is strong, very strong but somewhat underplayed, not sure if you mean the LG is weak, but INQ and LC are definitely strong.

Unbalanced stuff?

There's quite a few, some wargears like spiky armor have a retarded amount of HP regene and make the WB extremely hard to kill, IG/chaos autocannons have too much high damage both AI and AV and made the use of lascannons redudant, PMs/CPMs are too resistant and never bleed while providing good damage against vehicles and infantry, nothing else particularly comes to my mind right now.

Edit: eldar rapes IG currently and that's for 2 reasons, GU leaders were moved to T1 and given detection and WGs now have FOTM which is utterly stupid and everyone agrees on that, that means you can't even counter them with a microed chimera.

For the rest the automatic research does work in ELITE but nobody uses it, you are better off either inviting players or making pub lobbies, we also have ESL which is a program that ranks your games and puts you in a ladder.

https://dawnofwar.info/esl/

Also personal curiosity, you have anything to do with the BBB of NGA?

[BounceBurnBuff]

Yea I meant the Lord General. Haven't seen anything else of IGs so far.

How would I beat 'Nids with SMs then? Seems every time I slap a Dev squad down to suppress their Gaunts, another flanks and wipes them whilst fleeing. That's about all I can think of doing early since 3 model tac squads fare less well than that with a flamer. At least in my experience. Are there any videos going over the matchup?

Also, forgive my ignorance here, but what's PM/CPM? I get AI (anti infantry) and IG (Imperial Guard) and the like, can't think of that one though atm.

EDIT: Ah, realised it's Plague Marines/Chosen. MB.

Yea I did post there until recently.

[Ace of Swords]

Yea I meant the Lord General. Haven't seen anything else of IGs so far.

How would I beat 'Nids with SMs then? Seems every time I slap a Dev squad down to suppress their Gaunts, another flanks and wipes them whilst fleeing. That's about all I can think of doing early since 3 model tac squads fare less well than that with a flamer. At least in my experience. Are there any videos going over the matchup?

Also, forgive my ignorance here, but what's PM/CPM? I get AI (anti infantry) and IG (Imperial Guard) and the like, can't think of that one though atm.

Plaguemarines/choosen plagues marines (PC only melee plagues basically), well for the SM (not gk) vs nids match up I find it's quite easy nowadays, regardless of the commander they play, you'll have to rely heavily on upgraded scouts, try to keep only a portion of the map in T!, safeguard your gens and a vp basically, avoid bleeding, either devs or asm will do fine, depends also what you are facing, vs ht/la devs and heavy scout upgrades are better vs RA asm perform better, also nids lost the zoan snare which makes it killing transports and even dreds quite hard.

This is an apo vs HT tourney game from 2 months ago, yaay is one of the best players we've got, take a look at how the MU plays out
https://dawnofwar.info/esl/match/18905076


Well, nice to see a fellow MTG player then

[Oddnerd]

IG are definitely not weak - they have some serious weaknesses as a result of being the worst melee race, but they make up for it with lots of other strengths: GM are one of the best scaling T1 units in the game (+ cheap reinforce); versatile support units in the form of catachans and the elite-only spotters (who I recommend you try); they have the best tank in the game (leman russ).... etc.

EDIT - I'm dumb, thought you said "IG in general". Ya, LG is a bit unimpressive, especially once you learn to use the commissar or the aptly-named "Winquisitor"

[Soberson]

I'd say IG is fine. LG definitely lacks POP and WOW factor in his playstyle but there's that. Also Lord General NEEDS wargear upgrades to become beast so don't be stingy

[egewithin]

In the rigth hands, IG is very hard to beat. Best IG players that I have played with yet uses Lord Commisar but that has nothing to do with elite mod.

SM vs Nids? Hmm...

In case of melee threat, Shotgun Scouts with a Sergant is good to protect.

Flamer is a savage choice. People don't use flamer as an anti-infantry option, insted they prefer to bash power farms. I use it as a weapon. Even vs IG.

Devs are a good option.

Assault Marines may suffer in T2, do not go Assault marines if the nid player doesn't go for hard ranged.

Genestealers, always keep an eye for them.

[BounceBurnBuff]

I'm really dodgy with Devs. TBH, it seems like all they end up doing is getting flanked and murdered before doing anything other than present a zone of threat. Not sure what it is I'm supposed to be doing with them to avoid this when they're slow as hell and low on model count once those Gaunts start getting jumpy (Warrior suppress spam is also annoying).

I'm finding better luck avoiding TMs all together, 3 Scouts and 1 Devs with Tech Marine and holding a corner until tier 2. Then it should be a Dreadnaught or 2 depending on the opponent right?

[Ace of Swords]

I'm really dodgy with Devs. TBH, it seems like all they end up doing is getting flanked and murdered before doing anything other than present a zone of threat. Not sure what it is I'm supposed to be doing with them to avoid this when they're slow as hell and low on model count once those Gaunts start getting jumpy (Warrior suppress spam is also annoying).

I'm finding better luck avoiding TMs all together, 3 Scouts and 1 Devs with Tech Marine and holding a corner until tier 2. Then it should be a Dreadnaught or 2 depending on the opponent right?

I used to run 3 scouts into fast asm into double fully upgraded scouts (with 3 gens down right after the cap) however with the absurd amount of damage ranged ravs do, or if the nid player goes 3 termas your scouts won't stand a chance.

[Dark Riku]

Am I the only one not getting the LG hate? He's good imo.

[Tex]

I'm with Riku here. Now that I have figured out what works and what doesn't with the LG, hes a fucking beast.

[Ace of Swords]

I'm with Riku here. Now that I have figured out what works and what doesn't with the LG, hes a fucking beast.

It's a very underplayed hero, people where also asking what was wrong with the LA when a couple of years ago nobody played it lulz.

[Atlas]

I'm with Riku here. Now that I have figured out what works and what doesn't with the LG, hes a fucking beast.

Please enlighten me then, because I find him pretty rigid to play. So far, you basically almost always want 2 sents + hwt. His wargear feels pretty one-dimensional too, as there's the medic/sniper and hp regen armor and then there's really not much else (except the commi). All my red basically goes into Barrages and maybe 1 bunker.

[Torpid]

Y'all should know how I feel about the LG.

LG is by far the best hero vs eldar, I know that much. He's pretty great vs orks too tbh and he obv wins IG mirrors. I think he's legit.

[Toilailee]

[Edtjuh]

The lack of Vox is disgusting, toil.

[Nurland]

Flak Jacket is pretty great as well... 30% ranged damage resistance with full kb immunity.

[The Licking Boogyman]

With sm against triple guardsmen and LG with flak jacket and lasturret (insert kreygasm Here)