Elite on thin ice

[Lag]

Even though I do agree, you have to consider that some people don't have that much time to play, and want to use their free time to have fun. Playing a 3v3 with a complete noob on your team is not my definition of fun. I will do it during the weekend, but I will ask him to leave if I am playing on a work day. It's not being elitist, it is about using your time best.

[Raffa]

Why noobies always complaining about being kicked?

Well I'm from those good players I don't mind bitching people but I do kick out noobcakes, cos I'd rather play a game and not waste my time for lagging, disconnecting, poor matches and other stuff. Why you think I invite holyhammer to games? For me dickhead player who knows how to play is more value than friendly noob who'll make the game boring as hell.

Cheap threats don't do shit.

Can we please get back to talking about the mod? ^^ So tired of the sidetracks in recent days.

[Jazz-Sandwich]

I do agree that in order for the Elite community to expand there does need something in place for new entrees. It's understandable that some people are growing frustrated - at both ends of the Elite learning curve.

It's not fair for EITHER group with random kicking in the current system - not only are new people discouraged from joining and improving, advanced players have their fun ruined as well by low-level players impeding their games.

Perhaps an arrangement for particular hosted games to be 'beginners' or 'noob-friendly' or whatever language you want to use?

This is worthy of a thread, if the end result is a system than can facilitate all players. Perhaps particular days/time periods can be set for beginner-moderate level play? Or sub-groups on the steam Elite group to arrange such games/events?

It can only be a plus - the community grows, advanced players still get to have their high-level games, and newcomers can have the space to hone their skills and improve instead of being randomly kicked.

[Kvek]

please stop this nonsense it's just a game and let everyone play or soon everyone will be back to retail......

Okay, next time i will let those noobs join, then they will get rofl stomped in 5 minutes, and suddenly, you are a bitch that stomps noobs.

[David-CZ]

For me dickhead player who knows how to play is more value than friendly noob who'll make the game boring as hell.

I'm sorry but to me that sounds pathetic.

If you're such a good player it shouldn't be a problem for you to end the game quickly. If not then you could use some more training. In either case there's no time wasted.

Also there is always a civilized way how to let people know you don't want to play with them. Countless times players end up upset not because of the result of the game but the behavior of the players.

[Dark Riku]

If you don't want people to join you make it private and invite the people who you want.
Don't be a dick and sit in public and kick the ones that join.

If hosting public you should state in the description for what kind of game you are looking for. Eamples: beginner, below average, above average, good/pro.
The people that join should always look at the description before doing so.

If kicked or no games are to your liking you can always host a game of your own.
Going to the group chat to get people to join who meet your criteria.

[Raffa]

Also there is always a civilized way how to let people know you don't want to play with them. Countless times players end up upset not because of the result of the game but the behavior of the players.

I know. I never randomly kick people that's just dickheadish. But I will kick noobs who join a game called "1v1 pro" and want to play not obs.

And how is what I said pathetic?

[Ace of Swords]

If you're such a good player it shouldn't be a problem for you to end the game quickly. If not then you could use some more training. In either case there's no time wasted.

This is extremely wrong, this game is impossible to win 1v2 and any other form when talking of similar skill levels, the only way for it to be possible is when there is an abyss of skill between the players, too often a CPU was way more useful than an actual player, so yes, a single bad player WILL drag the entire team down.

[Vapor]

Host your own games perhaps?

I do agree that people should label games with a desired skill level. Makes booting more understandable.

[David-CZ]

This is extremely wrong, this game is impossible to win 1v2 and any other form when talking of similar skill levels, the only way for it to be possible is when there is an abyss of skill between the players, too often a CPU was way more useful than an actual player, so yes, a single bad player WILL drag the entire team down.

I see your point and I apologize. Somehow I only thought of 1v1 at the time. My mistake.

To answer Raffa, what I meant is that preferring good players with no manners over newbies who can behave seems silly to me. You can help a newbie to improve their skill but you can never help a fool.

[Lulgrim]

For me dickhead player who knows how to play is more value than friendly noob who'll make the game boring as hell.

I'm sorry but to me that sounds pathetic.

If you're such a good player it shouldn't be a problem for you to end the game quickly. If not then you could use some more training. In either case there's no time wasted.

I see your point and I apologize. Somehow I only thought of 1v1 at the time. My mistake.

How is 1v1 noob stomp not wasted time when you are looking for even matches?

To answer Raffa, what I meant is that preferring good players with no manners over newbies who can behave seems silly to me.

If you are specifically looking for skill not hugs it seems reasonable to me.

[David-CZ]

You either spend 10 minutes waiting in the lobby or playing a game.

I suppose this doesn't work when there actually are people to play with. But since the community is so small waiting for quite some time is nothing uncommon.

Then again, you can always do something else and check the lobby from time to time. Depends on how you want to spend your time.

[Arbit]

The problem with putting "GOOD PLAYERS ONLY" in the title is that soon enough everyone is putting "NO NOOBS"/"GOOD PLAYERS ONLY" and the noobs have nowhere to go. It would be nice if people would allow noobs into 2v2s/3v3s AND be willing to balance the teams as well. I understand that playing with a newbie can be frustrating but give it a shot anyway.

If you can't do that, then at least ask them to go obs instead of booting them with no comment.

The biggest crime though is hosting a game and then going AFK. WTF. WTF.

[Orkfaeller]

We are not SCII.

Neither are we CoH. We arent even retail DoWII.

And the last thing we need is to piss people off and drive them away.


Just booting someone is a unnecesarry, dickish move.

If its a 1v1, just tell him he's not on your level and ask him to leave.

If its a team game, just balance the freaking team or give him atleast a chance.


Just kicking someone without a word makes you look like an arse.

Edith: and name your lobbys

[Broodwich]

I've played plenty of enjoyable team games with noobs. All you have to do is balance the skill for a gg, like you would any other game. 3 Pros on 3 average players is just as unfun but a lot of the people bitching about noobs are the ones who still try and stack one team so they can win easy...

Nothing wrong with 1 noob on each team, or 1 noob and 2 pros on one team vs 3 middlish players. Honestly it makes it more interesting IMO because the game will have less laning and a more fluid environment than if equal skill players against each other.

But too many people just leave when they see a noob on their team instead of waiting to try and balance the game

[KanKrusha]

Wrex,

Host your own games. Call it "For fun" or something then everyone knows what they are getting into. People will join

[fok12]

I'm also a fairly new player but I've never been kicked from a team or was asked to leave. I know a certain player (no names here) that complains about having a "new player" in his team and he either leaves or switches teams, but what can I do? If it's anyones character not to accept new players and try to help them improve, it is not my consern.

Just join games or host your own and hope they won't mind you being new. Also, since everyone is judging if someone is new based on their army level, the more games you play the more xp you get, thus becoming "more advanced" in their eyes. To explain, I've been called a noob when I play Tyranids (lv 8), but a good player when I play Chaos or IG (lv 24 and 22 respectively)

[Kvek]

if you can't get this don't call your self a professional cuz you ain't.

i don't enjoy playing with nubs, i'm nub.
It's kinda stupid when you join a lobby called 3v3, and you get kicked i have to agree on this, but if you join a lobby called something like "No Noobs" or "only pr0s" and you join them and get kicked, that is understandable.

[Codex]

As far as I remember, this was a symptom of retail DOW2 custom lobbies as well. Not saying I condone it, personally I'm happy to play with anyone in general, but I do think it's a problem with a subsection of gamers and perhaps humanity in general rather than particularly the population of Elite.

[Tex]

How deep will your thoughts take us this time codex...?

STOP THINKING AND START TRAINING THESE NOOBIES!

But seriously, I totally agree with the "3v3 just balance out the skill" concept. There is nothing wrong with mixing it up and sometimes its kind of nice to have to put in a huge workload and carry a team against someone else who plays in the higher echelons of skill in this game.

It gets a bit trickier with 1v1's of course, but the problem there is that training cannot be provided from a random match maker anymore.

[Sneery_Thug]

Ok, I joined elite community already some monthes ago. But I'm still a noob (yes, i can read and push buttons, but that's all.)
And i'm rather satisfied with the elite lobby. I play with really good players and they neither kick me, nor they blame me for losing, even when it's my fault.
Moreover there are players who "took care" of me from the very beginning, make L2P's and bring me together with others I can play 1v1's with. (Yes, Kvek, I'm speaking of you. Thanks man.)
And who give me advices over and over again (Thanks to Handsome Sodding.)
There are games, where beginners should better observe and I' agree with it.

[Sneery_Thug]

Perhaps newcomers do need a better organisation. Like a topic "for noobs" on this forum. Since most visit this page more often, then the steam page.
Also, when you see a game called "no noobs" - host one yourself, called "newbies only" (that's what I do.)

And imo it would be nice, when our admins could put elite mod on moddb.com/mods - since it is often the first place, new players look for interesting mods.