Hacking in ELITE

[Orkfaeller]

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So I spent quite some time before I decided to post this, for better or for worse.

I skipped Chaos Rising and Retribution and only really came back when ELITE started becoming "popular" - so I missed alot of DoWII's scene and dont really know how it's overall situation was -

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was [map] hacking a common problem in DoWII?
Does anybody know, how it works / ed ? Like manipulating the game itself or having like another software running parallel to it?




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Because, some time ago I played a 3on3 team game ( duh ),
and there wasn't really much to talk about it until I decided to watch the replay, no special reasons, just for funsies.

Where I noticed that almost immediately after the round started one of the enemy players would call out my race / commander / position in his team chat.

We are talking about no enemy contact yet, just getting out of base.

Basically something like " Techmarine on my lane ", or along those lines.
And, guess what, I was playing the Techmarine and I did in fact spawn on the opposit site of his map lane.

We did not now each other, so its not like he should know my commander/race choice and the starting positions were set to random.

I watched the replay many, many times. Could not come up with an explantion for it.
I do not like finger pointing, and I know 90% of the guys who call someone else a cheater are usually just bad losers, so this is really not something I usually do ...

does anyone got a better explanation that helps me sleep better at night?
Is hacking still a problem in DoWII or even in ELITE?


I dont know if it has anything to do with it, but the potential hacker did lagg quite a bit during the first minutes of the game ( a lagger? in DoWII? nahhh! ).
When someone called him out on it, he just fixed it, he excused and it stopped....
Like I said, maybe he just stoped a download he had running in the background, maybe he had a taxing stream running or something, or recording software, but I was thinking, dont these kind of hacks usually have like a software running parallel to it? It has propably nothing to do with the overall situation, just you know, wanted to add it, just in case.

[Torpid]

It's a little trick you can use so that even when random positions are given you still know who you are going up against, it's not a hack and I can't be bothered to explain it, although it's really not very difficult.

[Sub_Zero]

How to know a commander? - Open player's stats and you will probably see the most used commanders for each faction. Most likely players use their main commanders. Heroes displayed on my stats screen are my main heroes excepting chaos sorcerer. Not quite sure about how it works but can state it matches sometimes.
How to know a position? - Click on the place where enemy base lies and you will definetely see who you are up against but you have only a second to recognize, it will be displayed for a second and will disappear.

[Ace of Swords]

It's not an hack, usually you can just hear the things you need to know, you can even hear generators for all races but chaos coming up (with sm gens beign the most loud)

And if it wasn't clear enough, logic comes into play, if you are vs ig,chaos and eldar, and you hear cover breaking that means there is a CL in your lane.

[Batpimp]

It's a little trick you can use so that even when random positions are given you still know who you are going up against, it's not a hack and I can't be bothered to explain it, although it's really not very difficult.

why even bother posting this? you posted to tell someone you know but you dont want to post it? lol

[Batpimp]

ork..

zoom in on the enemy base you want to hear and you can hear the hero call out orders, or confirm orders.

also you can check if the hero is destroying/crushing objects and you will know you are fighting CL or Warboss Or HT for example

[Kvek]

player list, on argus player 6 and players 1 are bottom if i'm right even if it's random :p

[MaxPower]

Just click on the players button or however thats called, then u see the players with their pings and if u know the starting positions of the map und should know which faction u are fighting against.

Voila, myth busted.

[Arbit]

If you click the player box ingame in the upper left, I am pretty sure it lists everyone in position order. For example, if you're playing Argus 3v3 and you're listed first in your team roster, you'll face off against the player listed first on the opposing team roster. It could be you're known to play a lot of TM, he saw your position in the list, and put two and two together.

NINJA'ED!!! Posting anyway fuuuuu MaxPower

On the cheat/hacking front, the weirdest thing I ever saw was I asked a question in teamchat and an opponent responded to me in allchat. The answer was very specific, so it couldn't have been him just happening to say something that fit my question. That was a long time ago though.

[Orkfaeller]

Well, I dont feel like a complete idiot right now ...

[Nuclear Arbitor]

you can actually maphack in dow2. i've only encountered it once though.

[Broodwich]

Only time I've seen hacking is in retail, not even 5 times. The guys had like infinite resources and BCs in the second engagement

[Faultron]

one ,high lvl' player few days ago said ingame chat(in retail) there is no hacking in this game:)
seems its not true oh shit

[Lulgrim]

I played a lot from 2010 to 2012 and the only hack I ever heard of was messing with the connection / freezing the match so that your opponent would concede out of boredom (never saw this myself).

Generally inconsistencies in the actual game just crash it with "sync error" like when you force-load a replay in the wrong version.

I remember being accused of hacking many times though, by idiots trying to e.g. shootout 3 units in heavy cover with just 1 standing in the open then calling "damage hacks" when it died...

[Nurland]

Also in the beginning of game you can look at the enemy base through FoW and you can see the HQ buildings for a split second.

[Forestradio]

Also in the beginning of game you can look at the enemy base through FoW and you can see the HQ buildings for a split second.

Also can tell the race by the flash of light that the buildings make when spawned.

SM tarantula turrets have a flash of yellow lightning, chaos temple has evil red summoning circles, etc

[Shas'el Doran'ro]

Tyranids are probably the easiest to spot through the Fog of War as their base defense "turrets" the Hive nodes have a little borrowed hole under them which is constantly visible even through the fog of war, it's also quite obvious as you place your camera over their Base you'll see the whole Hive structure splattering green biomass everywhere for the instant before disappearing.

But yea finding out your enemy race and location right from the start is pretty easy, though finding out enemy commanders, if they're not a heavy crusher is a bit more difficult.

[SirSid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVz1VVWcF5U

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAX!

[russthapuss]

I remember playing against GK once, and I was able to see through FoW his interceptor's "blue-light kind of things" that they have mounted on their shoulders, and could identify their position easily. Didn't happen to me again since then (maybe it's graphics detail dependent).