New GK Unit: Vindicare Assassin

[Orkfaeller]

Well, he propably ment a DowII mod

Also, I think this is "just" a retexture, right?

[Gray]

Well, he propably ment a DowII mod

Also, I think this is "just" a retexture, right?

Actually, I don't remember if it was in vanilla. Is there a way to use DoW1 models somehow?

[Orkfaeller]

yeah, the Vindicare Assassin was part of vanilla Winter Assault.

I've yet to see someone who ported whole models over from DoW1 ( not saying it didnt happen )

[Gray]

First untextured render.

Critic is wellcome

[Orkfaeller]

Whow, great to see allready something

I asume he is based on the Scout model?

I dont know how far into it you allready are, nor do I understand much about modeling;

All I can say is I think he could get a bit "slimmed down", still.

Stuff like his forearm armour and his boots to make him look a bit more athletik,

maybe that was on your to-do list anyways ( or maybe not )

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My other idea is maybe giving his visor a bit of an angle, or split it into two lenses to make it look a bit less like Cylop's ( X-Men ) goggles. ? .


Also I hope he'll get some skull buckles when hes finished.

All in all however, this is a highly specific "criticism",

allready looks better than I hoped for.

Please keep up the great work : )

[Gray]

I asume he is based on the Scout model?

Yes, of course. Only scouts and rangers have proper animation sets. Rangers don't close enough, so it was a scout.

I dont know how far into it you allready are, nor do I understand much about modeling;

It doesn't matter. If I ask for opinion, that means I need a new direction to work to. I can do anything you wish, but I have to know what to do.
Holding a mesh in my mind plays a mind trick with me: I can't see mismatches. So I need a clear eye to guide me.

All I can say is I think he could get a bit "slimmed down", still.
Stuff like his forearm armour and his boots to make him look a bit more athletik

Got it.

Also I hope he'll get some skull buckles when hes finished.

It's a part of texture, diffuse and normal maps.

[PePPeR]

Neat effort

[Gray]

Another WIP render. Slimmed down, reworked legs, helmet
Started to working on textures.

Suffer from lack of original HD textures. Compiling original DoW Vindicare Assassin and DoW 2 Scout texture. Handmade require some time. Results still unsatisfactorily.

[Orkfaeller]

really nice improvements on the visor *thumbs up*

[fankater]

Another WIP render. Slimmed down, reworked legs, helmet
Started to working on textures.

Suffer from lack of original HD textures. Compiling original DoW Vindicare Assassin and DoW 2 Scout texture. Handmade require some time. Results still unsatisfactorily.

Awesome work Gray! He looks better than any anyone suppose .
Are you going to do sniper rifle for him ?

[Orkfaeller]

Are you able to do stuff like the little lights / lasers on his rifle / helmet?

Would you have to add some particle effect or is it just a case of a transparent sprite?

Ever done something like it befor?

[Gray]

Awesome work Grey! He looks better than any anyone suppose .
Are you going to do sniper rifle for him ?

Still far from perfection, but I'll keep working.
Sniper rifle is not even a question. I'll just take the original one from DoW 1.

Are you able to do stuff like the little lights / lasers on his rifle / helmet?
Would you have to add some particle effect or is it just a case of a transparent sprite?
Ever done something like it befor?

If somebody tell me how it works here. Each game engine has unique effects structure.

P.S. Sorry for slow work, usually it takes way less time. I'm just exhausted, I need a pair days sleep off. No updates until 30th, don't panic.

[Gray]

OK, I'm back. Rested and ready to work.
New update on mesh and texture:

Mesh - final. (If nobody minds those bracers, I'm afraid to damage finger bones' enveloping)
Head texture - starting
Body texture - final draft. If there is an artist here, I could use some help, 'coz texture painting is not my best. I just leave it here, texture map is quite intuitive.

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And just one thing. I failed with normal mapping. It's new tech for me and I didn't master it yet.
So one or two days for envelope polishing and your unit will be ready.
Awaiting for criticism/wishes/suggestions.

P.S. almost forgot. The rifle

[fok12]

Can't wait to see this in-game, great work.

[Forestradio]

Pure awesome.

"Ask not for whom they seek, lest it be thyself."
-Officio Assassinorum

[Lulgrim]

Are you able to do stuff like the little lights / lasers on his rifle / helmet?

If somebody tell me how it works here. Each game engine has unique effects structure.

Generally just markers with fx attached to them. I think the Scout sniper rifle has a lazor, open it in Santos' Model Editor and see how it works.

[Nuclear Arbitor]

standard attachment points from the little i've looked at it. santos should help but i know exporting will bring the attachment points with it into max. to actually get them on the model you have to make an fx.

[Lulgrim]

Uhh unless it's something radically new and different, why??? I've added a bunch and I've never needed to make a new one... There are plenty of them available to grab.

[Jazz-Sandwich]

Sniper rifle is not even a question. I'll just take the original one from DoW 1.

Would there not be concerns about allegations of copyright breach?

[Gray]

Sniper rifle is not even a question. I'll just take the original one from DoW 1.

Would there not be concerns about allegations of copyright breach?

OK, let THQ sue me.

[Jazz-Sandwich]

Sniper rifle is not even a question. I'll just take the original one from DoW 1.

Would there not be concerns about allegations of copyright breach?

OK, let THQ sue me.

THQ do seem to be reluctant to take action against modders in Russian areas, but it's Elite mod itself that I'd be concerned about. The issue has been brought up in other threads (eg that of the Force Commander's voice-over), and it applies here too.

You're happy to risk your own neck; fair enough. But what of Elite mod?

[Gray]

THQ do seem to be reluctant to take action against modders in Russian areas, but it's Elite mod itself that I'd be concerned about. The issue has been brought up in other threads (eg that of the Force Commander's voice-over), and it applies here too.

You're happy to risk your own neck; fair enough. But what of Elite mod?

OK, I can make it from the scratch using this one as a template. The geometry is simple enough. I can also restyle a texture to make it unrecognizable. But it takes a day or two.

[Lulgrim]

Yes I recommend you just make your own version so nobody has copyright complaints about it. No rush anyway as we have weeks-months between releases generally.

[Gray]

One more question: is it have any upgrades? I mean, should I make it as one solid piece of wargear or split it into a customizable puzzle.

UPD. maybe, my question is not clear enough, I ask about the assassin itself, not the rifle. Should I make any accessories attachments for the upgrades visualization?

[Nuclear Arbitor]

Uhh unless it's something radically new and different, why??? I've added a bunch and I've never needed to make a new one... There are plenty of them available to grab.

i meant that more figuratively than literally.

[Lulgrim]

One more question: is it have any upgrades? I mean, should I make it as one solid piece of wargear or split it into a customizable puzzle.

I assume the unit would have an upgrade or two, but idk what exactly and what might suit them visually. If you have any ideas about add-on or alternative pieces, they can certainly be used in some way (as Army Level unlocks if not upgrades).

[Gray]

I assume the unit would have an upgrade or two, but idk what exactly and what might suit them visually. If you have any ideas about add-on or alternative pieces, they can certainly be used in some way (as Army Level unlocks if not upgrades).

I am planning to attach some fancies (bullets, dagger etc.) to bracers to make it less boring, so I need to know, where to link them - a parent mesh or accessories.
Additioanlly, a visor can be made in less detailed variant (I can just delete left part). And so on: bullets, poaches etc.
Generally, I see. Creating accessories file.

[Gray]

Unexpected problem with exporting models from 3D MAX. Model editor open exported model as blank. re-import to 3D MAX returns untextured mesh.
Anyone have an experience? Need help. I understand that texturing is an issue, but I haven't any idea what to do.

[Lulgrim]

Have you looked on the RelicNews forum?

[Gray]

Finally, I did it. Don't ask me how - I dont understand it myself, it was a shaman dance.
A had to use all original scout maps (normal, specular, dirt etc) as well as file names, but it is a future business. Now I need to ensure that it generally works. I didn't find a way to override in-game models, so I need somebody to do it.
Here it is an archive. Armor model and head model separately.
http://rapidshare.com/share/4A0E8E9E5347A9A5CC74A5BE51D5AD59