Dawn of War Codex

dance commander wrote:

Orkfaeller wrote:If I had anything to say in the matter ( Im usually glad I dont )

I'd take away heavy flamer and assault cannon, (those just shouldnt be commander wargear) and give him something that actually makes sense.

Like a CombiWeapon or a Powersword.

The Terminator TerminatorFC in his curent form just feels rushed, and lazily implemented. It doesnt help that didnt even get his own model.

I'm really amazed that in all these years no modder/modeller seemed to do anything about it

*sigh*

Edith: sry, I went offtopic

It always struck me as odd tha the FC terminator was just another terminator, but oh well a lot of stuff in DoW2 is not very fluff friendly, I'd like to see a proper model with the right wargear though, still, for just one piece of wargear it might be too much work, maybe Shuma made something? I remember him making a nurgle variant of the terminator armour for the PC so I think he might also have made something for the FC.

I never touched any programm that allows you to create or work with 3D assets, so I really try not to comment on stuff like that usually. But you would think, you dont have to create anything new actually to make the FC stand out more.

In my head, filled with blissful ignorance and naivety, I would imagine its possible to take the existing Terminator bits, fit them over the Chaos Lords animation skelleton and put a powersword in his hand, since the CL should have all the necesary animations, even for Claws and Honourweapons.

( I ofcourse dont know, but I would guess the GKBrotherCaptain's animations are heavly based on the CL's)

Could we atleast put an Iron Halo or a Banner on his hunch?

edith

Orkfaeller wrote:If its true like someone wrote that the FC heavy flamer doesnt do splash.. that CANT be intentional? I mean like for balance reasons, right? That has to be bug. Something like that can be justifyable : /

Also: this without the helmet please.

Turning the FC terminator commander into a chaos lord type hero (good ranged and melee dps instead of insane melee dps) isn't a bad idea at all, and it looks like we already have a model.

Nuclear Arbitor wrote:the mouth plate on that helmet makes him look like he is smirking.

forestradio wrote:Two things.

1. The FC teleport when he is in terminator armor costs no energy. Both battlecry and cleansing flame are 50 energy, but the teleport costs NO energy.


2. Just tested the FC termie flamer.

There is clearly a glitch going on with it. It didn't seem to do any splash damage to a guardsmen squad of 10 models.
They took 20 damage per second. Not twenty damage per model, twenty damage to the entire squad overall.

The same thing happened to a heavy weapons team: the flamer was clearly hitting three models, and it only was doing 20 dps to the whole squad.

I know the flamer got toned down in elite, but completely removing its splash damage seems rather extreme.
Can this be fixed in the next beta?

Lulgrim wrote:Chaos Lord animations look fairly retarded tbh, I'm not very excited about using them on anything.

forestradio wrote:I repeat, the heavy flamer deals NO SPLASH DAMAGE AT ALL.

wa1243agh wrote:In mu honest opinion. I dont think the flamer should be changed. The ability cleansing flame i think make up for the lack of the standard attack that the heavy flamer does.

Kvek wrote:The power fist comes for 200/100 (and some hp) so the power fist doesn't come with the heavy flamer.

wa1243agh wrote:I can understand that. But do forget with that Heavy Flamer is a powerfist that does over or pretty dang close to 100 heavy melee dps.

Lag wrote:

Dark Riku wrote:2 Guardsman squads should not be able to stand up against a FC terminator with a big ass flamer. A T3 commander that costs a shit ton of resources with a specialized anti-infantry ranged weapon should not lose vs 2 Gaurdsman ever.
And yes Cleansing Flame will kill your army if you cuddle up nice and close in 1 spot. [/u]"

Source wiki. So not sure how accurate or up to date this is.

Every hero gets raped quickly by double fully upgraded and leveled GM squads. As I said - dealing with HI and heroes is the only thing they are good at once they get their plasmas and levels. Other than that they are just cannon fodder. Try engaging two GM squads with plasmas with a Tac Flamer and see if they do better than a FC in Termi suit.