Dawn of War Codex

I believe psi cannons are still too fucking crazy.

I had a match with crew last night that illustrated this pretty well. I mean don't get me wrong, there is always room to play better on my part, but I think psi cannons need to do 0 splash damage. They are simply far too effective at killing vehicles and infantry alike.

I'm okay with the psilencer doing splash damage because it is strictly AI.

The big problem is still the purgation transition with the rhino. It is completely unapproachable with any kind of combination. The 2 purgation squads will tear apart any approaching melee, or, they can dish out massive damage to a ranged AV source with their psi cannons. The rhino will likely have the heavy bolter equipped, and thus, you have a fast moving anti-all platform which causes you extreme grief to deal with.
The fact that purgs can now reinforce off of it makes it all the more unbeatable.

Just my thoughts atm.

i think the bigger problem is just that the rhino is too cheap for its performance. purgation psycannons are strong but only become too strong when combined with the rhino in my opinion.

also shees completely tear OM apart now that the purgs flame ability got nerfed. they can fleet in and tie them up before getting suppressed at all, and warlock only makes it worse with his crazy long leap. SS can do alright vs shees if they're able to fire at them on approach the whole time but in an even fight they will lose hard, especially if shees have their aspect or levels.

@Crew:
I disagree mate. From my experience banshees are the least effective vs GK of any heavy infantry races.

I'll have to 2nd Choko here.

Crewfinity wrote:i think the bigger problem is just that the rhino is too cheap for its performance. purgation psycannons are strong but only become too strong when combined with the rhino in my opinion.

also shees completely tear OM apart now that the purgs flame ability got nerfed. they can fleet in and tie them up before getting suppressed at all, and warlock only makes it worse with his crazy long leap. SS can do alright vs shees if they're able to fire at them on approach the whole time but in an even fight they will lose hard, especially if shees have their aspect or levels.

being mid skilled with OM vs a high tier elder got destroyed by elder in the mrt22 lost both my matchs got shutdown by shees and gwt tier1 and could not get to tier 2 with any push and once elder got falcon they had to much control of map also fergot to say he was playing WSE

The key in the matchup Eldar vs OM is being extremely aggressive with your gwt and banshees, also Warlock is a very difficult hero right now for OM to handle.
With the latest iteration of the Elite mod Purgation have lost some of their destructive potential vs banshees, so controlling them will be harder yet still not impossible. Most of the replays I have seen so far either showed 2+ Strike squad build orders (which I don't think are the right idea) or very minimal bos like 1-1-1-upgrades-T2. Double IST should work very well imo.

I played a WSE vs Tex's OM yesterday. Should be able to get the replay on ESL. Not sure how good Tex's OM is though, to be fair, or if that game was representative. I'd go into how I've been trying to play the matchup, but I'm on my phone at the moment. I'll try to add something when I get home.

I think you should try to use a much more standard example of the matchup. I played it very different than the normal meta would dictate, and of course, you made my shit micro pay the price hard by making very prudent decisions. With that said, you outplayed me in a very real way, so those would be good examples for decision making against OM.

The Matchup: Warlock vs OM.

The trouble: I made it to t3 in pretty good shape. I could reasonably well deal with Paladins, killed them off with Seer Council and Channeling Runes. I couldn't deal with the GK Termis very well however. The Holocaust ability would give a good 5-6 seconds of free damage (4 second lift, then the units standing back up) and I was on the losing end of the fight real fast. I'm concerned about getting Fire Dragons or Dark Reapers because of the Teleport and Teleport Assault, I couldn't kite them away without getting chased down and killed. Should I have gotten a fire prism to peel health while in combat? (We eventually won the game by playing Hide and Seek with the terminators and letting the VPs drain away, its this combat matchup I'm lost on.)

Also, in a recent game, the Strike Squad ability "Energy Burst" seemed able to hit 2 units at once. Specifically double banshees. Is that a bug, or is that intended?

Thank you for your wisdom!

Ordie wrote:Also, in a recent game, the Strike Squad ability "Energy Burst" seemed able to hit 2 units at once. Specifically double banshees. Is that a bug, or is that intended?

Its not just double shees, i've been nailing clumped up units all the time with one burst.
Also, thus far I've seen, eldar having 4 T1 units (DA or shees) tends to have a critical mass of firepower/choppa that can push GK off balance.

Purgation and Ops can deal with Banshees instanly. Also, if the Warlock doesn't try to tie up Ops, you can tear his health bar down very fast. Also, getting the Sword on the BroCap for dealing with GWT, makes an 80 power T1 which is enough.

Do not forget the potential of Ops vs light infantry, specially vs Eldar.