Dawn of War Codex

High Powered Shot and Bionics' hotkeys have been switched. Very confusing.

The Licking Boogyman wrote:Why can ists with gl (no serg ) lose to regular shootas without any upgrades lmao

To be fair, that situation doesn't sound too bad. The benefit of GLs is that they ignore cover and units tend to blob up behind cover. They aren't meant to be good in stand-up fights. And vs ranged units closing in to melee them and therefore moving about you are meant to lose. If you are in cover and they are, you win easy. If you are in cover and they ain't you win easy. Otherwise they are meant to be behind your IST w/ sarge that are tankier, or your SS that are tankier using their extra GL range and projectile trajectory to fire over the other squads, ignore enemy cover and be a good supporting unit...

Psycho wrote:Whatever happened to the idea of spotters' incendiary shell affecting turrets like flamers do?

It was declined. I think it would have been too OP. Spotters are way too long range. And unlike a manticore they aren't at all a high T2 investment... In fact they're something most people get anyway in T1 in 3v3.

Adeptus Noobus wrote:High Powered Shot and Bionics' hotkeys have been switched. Very confusing.

That is actually a correction from the TM being completely f*cked on his hotkeys. We tried very hard to correct the Proximity Mines as well but there's other issues with moving that ability around. It's confusing because you're used to the TM's weapon and armor hotkeys not being where they are supposed to be

I'm sure it would not. The warlock already has a tool with twice the dps in T1 for just a pisspoor 100/25 cost that is also anti-blob and a great melee weapon, for a theoretical 43.5 range, and nobody bats an eye. Not to mention that with spotter smoke only reducing range down to 50%, turrets can STILL shoot at flamer GMs and instantly supress them since they're so close, so it's impossible to counter them that way unless you flank, at which point we'd be banking on an opponent that allows you to flank in the first place.

Hero versus unit for an entire race. Not the same thing...

Psycho wrote:I'm sure it would not. The warlock already has a tool with twice the dps in T1 for just a pisspoor 100/25 cost that is also anti-blob and a great melee weapon, for a theoretical 43.5 range, and nobody bats an eye. Not to mention that with spotter smoke only reducing range down to 50%, turrets can STILL shoot at flamer GMs and instantly supress them since they're so close, so it's impossible to counter them that way unless you flank, at which point we'd be banking on an opponent that allows you to flank in the first place.

flame sword op yea right only thing wrong with wl is his new destructor which you cant doge now which is very balance, before you cry about what spotters does learn what they do, they reduce sight range by 50% as well, also maybe learn to use cats smoke nade which give 100% suppression imun with flamer gm bye bye turret but hey impossible to counter right

Atlas wrote:

Adeptus Noobus wrote:High Powered Shot and Bionics' hotkeys have been switched. Very confusing.

That is actually a correction from the TM being completely f*cked on his hotkeys. We tried very hard to correct the Proximity Mines as well but there's other issues with moving that ability around. It's confusing because you're used to the TM's weapon and armor hotkeys not being where they are supposed to be

Please stop 'correcting' hotkeys. I'm still baffled you switched around the Tyrant Guard hotkeys for charge and shieldwall shortly after they were switched around by Caeltos for 'consistency'. Switching hotkeys for no good reason just confuses and pisses off long-time players.

I have an idea for hotkeys but was in doubt for a long while.

For heroes, what if we make the hotkeys pretty much same for all?

Ability coming from weapon - Q
Ability coming from armor - W
Ability coming from aces. - E

So we don't need to remember each abilitys hotkey one by one each time on each patch. What kind of problems can we face with this?

egewithin wrote:I have an idea for hotkeys but was in doubt for a long while.

For heroes, what if we make the hotkeys pretty much same for all?

Ability coming from weapon - Q
Ability coming from armor - W
Ability coming from aces. - E

So we don't need to remember each abilitys hotkey one by one each time on each patch. What kind of problems can we face with this?

Those heroes that start with starting abilities will have problems

egewithin wrote:I have an idea for hotkeys but was in doubt for a long while.

For heroes, what if we make the hotkeys pretty much same for all?

Ability coming from weapon - Q
Ability coming from armor - W
Ability coming from aces. - E

So we don't need to remember each abilitys hotkey one by one each time on each patch. What kind of problems can we face with this?

As was already mentioned, this was basically how it's already set up. Only major exception to this is TM, which has armors typically come before weapons for no real reason. Starting abilities just shift them to the right however many slots it needs.

Atlas wrote:
As was already mentioned, this was basically how it's already set up. Only major exception to this is TM, which has armors typically come before weapons for no real reason. Starting abilities just shift them to the right however many slots it needs.

And I don't recall anyone ever complaining about this. Don't change hotkey layouts just to satisfy some urge for consistency.

hiveminion wrote:

Atlas wrote:
As was already mentioned, this was basically how it's already set up. Only major exception to this is TM, which has armors typically come before weapons for no real reason. Starting abilities just shift them to the right however many slots it needs.

And I don't recall anyone ever complaining about this. Don't change hotkey layouts just to satisfy some urge for consistency.

As somebody who played TM a LOT, it really screws with my gameplay at the moment. Bionics, HPS, Mark Target, etc all being on different keys now is really confusing.

EDIT:
Pheromones still reinforces allied units. I just played a 2v2 and it reinforced allied Heretics and CSM.

Use custom hotkeys. Problem solved:)

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I was just starting to use Ordo Malleus on 2.6 but it really feels like Strike Squads are made of paper now.

I notice a difference in ISTs but that was to be expected based on the changes.

The caveat is that I'm still a pretty terrible player but has anyone else noticed a stark difference for Strike Squads despite what looks like a small change?

Subjugation isn't working properly - You still cannot retreat out of it.

Hutsy wrote:I was just starting to use Ordo Malleus on 2.6 but it really feels like Strike Squads are made of paper now.

I notice a difference in ISTs but that was to be expected based on the changes.

The caveat is that I'm still a pretty terrible player but has anyone else noticed a stark difference for Strike Squads despite what looks like a small change?

definitely more fragile than they used to be, although they get most of that back with their T1 upgrade. if you want them to be in the thick of it and duking it out with sluggas or banshees in the early game, that upgrade is pretty mandatory for them now.

Hey there. For whatever reason, my computer won't launch the elite mod. it installs with errors and then I can't launch into the game itself. It's now gotten to the point where I can't even access the retail version. What did I do wrong? In the past, my computer had no problems with it. I've attached photos to better explain what I am talking about. I haven't played this game in a while and want to get back into it. I'm not experienced with installing mods so please forgive the noob question.

Have you tried the basics?
Like re downloading the installer because something might have gone wrong there for some reason?
Verified the integrity of your game files?
And so on?

TM missile turret absolutely DESTROYS heroes. I need to check further wether it's vs infantry as well but it shits all over heroes atm.

GK unupgraded rhinos do not have attack move command.

Fr33man1800 wrote:GK unupgraded rhinos do not have attack move command.

and people call OM an A-Move race

Since this was released, i have been crashing after playing roughly 30 minutes. My whole PC freezes after hearing a static blast from my speakers, and there is no response from the system. My only option is to hard reboot (hold power button down). This has happened every time i've played so far

At first i thought it was hardware, but then i played the witcher 3 (far more taxing) and an FPS without issues for hours, so it must be the latest patch.

Event logs have nothing either

Have you tried reinstalling yet?

Well false alarm, i just had another crash in a different game, so i guess it is hardware after all

Currently regretting losing dem dineros at blackjack

Hi I'm pretty new to trying to get the mod up and running. I notice in the top left the version says 2.5.0. Does this mean I am on the wrong version or have those numbers just not been updated. Also does matchmaking work on the elite mod?

discmt wrote:Hi I'm pretty new to trying to get the mod up and running. I notice in the top left the version says 2.5.0. Does this mean I am on the wrong version or have those numbers just not been updated. Also does matchmaking work on the elite mod?

If the version is 2.5.0 you are playing the wrong version. It should say 2.6.1.

Ranked games work, technically, but I don't think anyone uses that function anymore - if you want to play you have to join or host custom lobbies.

If everyone keeps telling people not to use ranked matchmaking of course nobody will use it

I am new to elite (less than 1 month). I agree with Dark Riku. At first, I tried to use ranked games matchmaking but it seems no one is using it. It would be cool to encourage it.

Will ranked matchmaking put you into games that are made in the public lobby?
Otherwise, it's a bit of a catch 22 since you might miss the games that are being made while you're waiting in the matchmaker.

Nemesis Vortex still does 80 damage instead of 30 as intended. I experimentd on heretic squad which has 75 hp for each model and nemesis vortex wipes any affected model out in one single hit since it still does 80 damage.

So all in all, OM is currently able to use T2 Vortex skill in T1 with cheaper price than before.