Let us calm down and get it done one by one. Someone who has contact with relic should ask. That person should post here the result and then we can deal with expenses, legal problems and technical problems.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Tue 19 Sep, 2017 5:46 pm
by seedofpower
Impregnable wrote:Let us calm down and get it done one by one. Someone who has contact with relic should ask. That person should post here the result and then we can deal with expenses, legal problems and technical problems.
Yes of course. Wanted to let y'all know those bases can be covered. Anyways, I message Kat on the DoW forums and tweeted the official DoW twitter about this. Now, just gonna wait for a response.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Tue 19 Sep, 2017 6:06 pm
by Rostam
If u guys can pull this out that would be great
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Tue 19 Sep, 2017 6:08 pm
by Rostam
Also would be nice if elite mod would become a patch for retribution (I doubt relic would accept it though)
but first things first gotta do this first, hope there is no legal issues for it
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Tue 19 Sep, 2017 6:10 pm
by boss
I guess you forgot what happen last time relic patch the game broke half the stuff. I don't like this at all involving them in anything is like shoot your self in the head.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Wed 20 Sep, 2017 12:22 am
by seedofpower
Okay, so I had a conversation with the person who runs the Dawn of War twitter account. They explained to me that it was licensing matter with Games Workshop, and they couldn't give the permission themselves. The next step I'm taking is talking to someone at Sega, and sending a letter to GW. I know a guy in games journalism, I'm gonna ask for a contact.
I feel I can make a case to both of them, its free content for a game that is required to be purchased by them. This is gonna take longer than I thought.
edit: a word.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Wed 20 Sep, 2017 10:15 am
by Adeptus Noobus
seedofpower wrote:Okay, so I had a conversation with the person who runs the Dawn of War twitter account. They explained to me that it was licensing matter with Games Workshop, and they couldn't give the permission themselves. The next step I'm taking is talking to someone at Sega, and sending a letter to GW. I know a guy in games journalism, I'm gonna ask for a contact.
I feel I can make a case to both of them, its free content for a game that is required to be purchased by them. This is gonna take longer than I thought.
edit: a word.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Fri 29 Sep, 2017 6:42 pm
by Rostam
any word or progress? is anyone following this request atm?
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Fri 06 Oct, 2017 3:39 pm
by Impregnable
seedofpower wrote:Okay, so I had a conversation with the person who runs the Dawn of War twitter account. They explained to me that it was licensing matter with Games Workshop, and they couldn't give the permission themselves. The next step I'm taking is talking to someone at Sega, and sending a letter to GW. I know a guy in games journalism, I'm gonna ask for a contact.
I feel I can make a case to both of them, its free content for a game that is required to be purchased by them. This is gonna take longer than I thought.
edit: a word.
We are eagerly waiting on his report on progress. Let us give him some time to sort it out.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Fri 24 Nov, 2017 6:22 pm
by Rostam
Impregnable wrote: We are eagerly waiting on his report on progress. Let us give him some time to sort it out.
still nothing =( it would be great to have it for the new year ofc
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Fri 24 Nov, 2017 10:20 pm
by seedofpower
Rostam313 wrote:
Impregnable wrote: We are eagerly waiting on his report on progress. Let us give him some time to sort it out.
still nothing =( it would be great to have it for the new year ofc
My bad Y'all. I got busy with work and I haven't gotten around to a follow up. I'm on thanksgiving break, so now I have time to run down to the post office.
So I sent an email to their Licensing team but didn't get a word back and my only other option is to physically mail their legal department (for whatever reason they don't have an email posted). I just did that, so now its a waiting game. I'm gonna send another follow up letter if I don't hear anything in a couple of weeks. If I continue to be ghosted by GW I'm gonna mail a letter to Sega of america and Relic.
Sorry for the long wait, I'll try to post again end of the year during winter break.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Sat 25 Nov, 2017 5:49 am
by Rostam
Thanks for the efforts my friend, really appreciated The Emperor knows your name
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Sat 25 Nov, 2017 8:07 am
by Impregnable
Thanks for your efforts again. This is a crucial thing to accomplish if it is possible. One of the constant complains about elite from new players was that it is a hassle to update this mod. If steam auto update is possible, it will be a lot better.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Tue 19 Dec, 2017 11:25 pm
by seedofpower
Alright another update.
Someone got back to me from GW. They pretty much said that they will not give permission but they also will not go after anyone as long as you follow their guidelines. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/In ... rty-Policy
I just wrote her back asking what qualified as a "professional distributor." It didn't make sense to me if we can use mod sites and not steam. Hopefully she will get back to me before the end of the year.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Wed 20 Dec, 2017 3:10 am
by Paranoid Kamikaze
It's pretty safe to say we're out of luck.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Wed 20 Dec, 2017 3:21 am
by Ace of Swords
seedofpower wrote:Alright another update.
Someone got back to me from GW. They pretty much said that they will not give permission but they also will not go after anyone as long as you follow their guidelines. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/In ... rty-Policy
I just wrote her back asking what qualified as a "professional distributor." It didn't make sense to me if we can use mod sites and not steam. Hopefully she will get back to me before the end of the year.
Good video ace You can always form an appeal to GW if anything is goes wrong :V I am sure GW is really open minded to criticism and doesnt care about the money at all :V
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Wed 20 Dec, 2017 7:11 pm
by seedofpower
Well, it's their license and we have to got through them if we like it or not. Better to ask and know, than try and get litigated. As of right now, them saying they don't give a shit as long as you don't make money, and defame us is the best we are going to get.
We also still have to contend with steam itself. I talked to someone who works at Deep Silver, and he mentions there is more than flipping a switch to get the mod on steam. I'm simply going to talk to the CoH modders and ask them how they did it. The modding section on steam seems to be dedicated to source games, and Valve wants to push for 3rd party games to use workshop support.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Thu 22 Feb, 2018 11:36 am
by Impregnable
seedofpower wrote:Well, it's their license and we have to got through them if we like it or not. Better to ask and know, than try and get litigated. As of right now, them saying they don't give a shit as long as you don't make money, and defame us is the best we are going to get.
We also still have to contend with steam itself. I talked to someone who works at Deep Silver, and he mentions there is more than flipping a switch to get the mod on steam. I'm simply going to talk to the CoH modders and ask them how they did it. The modding section on steam seems to be dedicated to source games, and Valve wants to push for 3rd party games to use workshop support.
Any news regarding this campaign?
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Thu 22 Feb, 2018 4:03 pm
by Rostam
By now i think everyone knows that "Relic" Doesnt give two shits about "Dow1,Dow2" and Dow Franchise in general; and they certainly don't give a shit about fans, hence they cant even do the simplest thing and support the least. That company is so full of shit, i hope they will be bankrupt soon and someone else get their IPs working. I dont like WC and SC franchises due to their bad blood with 40k (long story), still great games though; but blizzard is way better than supporting his fans compared to this poor excuse of a company. They dont even apologize after fucking up one of the best RTS franchises in the history. Thats how arrogant they are
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Thu 22 Feb, 2018 6:12 pm
by Paranoid Kamikaze
Rostam wrote:By now i think everyone knows that "Relic" Doesnt give two shits about "Dow1,Dow2" and Dow Franchise in general; and they certainly don't give a shit about fans, hence they cant even do the simplest thing and support the least. That company is so full of shit, i hope they will be bankrupt soon and someone else get their IPs working. I dont like WC and SC franchises due to their bad blood with 40k (long story), still great games though; but blizzard is way better than supporting his fans compared to this poor excuse of a company. They dont even apologize after fucking up one of the best RTS franchises in the history. Thats how arrogant they are
Relic is actually one of my favourite gaming studios. They always make great games for how they designed them to be. The problem for DoW 3 was that what they made wasn't what anyone wanted
They abandoned DoW 3 due to low sales, which is a good business decision rather than putting in tons of support and making a playerbase out of nothing, and they're working on two new games. Hopefully DoW 4 comes out in 4-6 years and is a game made for DoW fans this time.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Thu 22 Feb, 2018 6:31 pm
by Rostam
I hope the Death of relic studio comes soon afterwards the death of Dow3, amen They dont deserve to make Dow4, and i am pretty sure sega wont work with them in the future they have done a great job on Dow1 and Dow2 with the previous staff (The time THQ was around) but the credit goes to RelicX not this Relic but the current staff is just a bunch of undeserving,none-caring,teenagers who care about their hair color (Blue berry girl) than the actual product Well at this point Relic (RIP) are packing their resume, i am sure of it. may dow3 rot in Nurgle's realm
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Thu 22 Feb, 2018 8:01 pm
by Schepp himself
Paranoid Kamikaze wrote:Relic is actually one of my favourite gaming studios. They always make great games for how they designed them to be. The problem for DoW 3 was that what they made wasn't what anyone wanted
They abandoned DoW 3 due to low sales, which is a good business decision rather than putting in tons of support and making a playerbase out of nothing, and they're working on two new games. Hopefully DoW 4 comes out in 4-6 years and is a game made for DoW fans this time.
A few years ago I'd agree. Then came CoH2 and I lost faith due to clusterfucking Commanders (DLC-extravanganza!) and super lame campaign (compare this to super tight coh-commanders and awesome(x3) campaign. Seriously, the CoH capaign is the best designed single-player-campaign I've ever played.
So I'm with Rostam on that one even though I would stay away from his salty language.
Greets Schepp himself
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Fri 23 Feb, 2018 12:42 am
by LOCALgHOST
coh2 had terrible campaign. I never bought that shit.
Dow3 seemed to me a so-so singleplayer with normal story, but multiplayer mode is awful.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Fri 23 Feb, 2018 5:10 am
by Paranoid Kamikaze
LOCALgHOST wrote:coh2 had terrible campaign. I never bought that shit.
Dow3 seemed to me a so-so singleplayer with normal story, but multiplayer mode is awful.
Single player was shit. DoW 2 had best single player in the franchise. An expanded DoW 2 campaign would be so much better than the bland linear one in DoW 3.
Multiplayer isn't that bad. I liked it more than any other game other than DoW 2. It does have some advantages such as being friendly to new players as it's easier to get into with a low APM and then there's a higher ceiling for the better players. The doctrine system also allows you to play the way you want as opposed to being stuck to a counter system. The negatives being that it's less tactical, there is too much prediction as opposed to skilled counterplay, and some Elites do too much damage though Elites were nerfed so it's a lot more tolerable than at release.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Sun 03 Jun, 2018 12:01 am
by seedofpower
Impregnable wrote:
seedofpower wrote:Well, it's their license and we have to got through them if we like it or not. Better to ask and know, than try and get litigated. As of right now, them saying they don't give a shit as long as you don't make money, and defame us is the best we are going to get.
We also still have to contend with steam itself. I talked to someone who works at Deep Silver, and he mentions there is more than flipping a switch to get the mod on steam. I'm simply going to talk to the CoH modders and ask them how they did it. The modding section on steam seems to be dedicated to source games, and Valve wants to push for 3rd party games to use workshop support.
Any news regarding this campaign?
Nah, that was also a dead end. At this point I'm hoping that since Relic is doing contracting work, they would come back around and do HD versions of Dawn of war 1 and 2.
Re: Elite Mod on Steam
Posted: Sun 03 Jun, 2018 6:38 am
by Impregnable
seedofpower wrote:
Impregnable wrote:
seedofpower wrote:Well, it's their license and we have to got through them if we like it or not. Better to ask and know, than try and get litigated. As of right now, them saying they don't give a shit as long as you don't make money, and defame us is the best we are going to get.
We also still have to contend with steam itself. I talked to someone who works at Deep Silver, and he mentions there is more than flipping a switch to get the mod on steam. I'm simply going to talk to the CoH modders and ask them how they did it. The modding section on steam seems to be dedicated to source games, and Valve wants to push for 3rd party games to use workshop support.
Any news regarding this campaign?
Nah, that was also a dead end. At this point I'm hoping that since Relic is doing contracting work, they would come back around and do HD versions of Dawn of war 1 and 2.
Depends on what happens on AOE4. Considering their treatment of DOW3, not many have any hope for relic.
