Dawn of War Codex

Dark Riku wrote:

Faultron wrote:some ideas
-after a finished termi upgrade u got back the pre wargear resources(if not 100% then 75 or 50% depends)
-changing/tweaking or giving other weapon to him
-new ability or improved ability

the terminator investment is not only the worst cost/performance but negative lol

Should be reworked somehow in my opinion

Giving back recources spend is a bad idea. You could go plus from upgrading :p
Some other changes would be preferable if any are needed.

Lulgrim wrote:I am still interested I making the Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield upgrade for him.

Kvek wrote:

Faultron wrote:In Retail i bought only once in my life the terminator upgrade in a serious match and i quickly realised it is not viable.
terminator upgrade gives you a weaker armyforce for T3.not to mention u waste all your pre investment resources.and if u go naked until tier 3 u pretty much loose:)
dunno how it works in Elite cos i didn not played much SM termi FC lulz! but i guess its still the same.

wait, in retail only once ? have you ever tried to use FC flamer, it's basically a insta-gen bash wargear, and also if your opponent is retreating and you are near his base just tp and cleansing flame it and whole army wipe :p

M4573R_CH13f wrote:no t3? how do you play?
flamer in retail was rediculous, although CF stillwipes out a power farm, only that you need to wait around 15 seconds.

Hammer and Stormshield o.O sounds awesome, but what is the target? he already is tanky and has splash power melee...


But back to topic, do you agree on the claws? caeltos, seen this?

i see the huge buff of WATH, but still, it does go a bit down to his t2-weaponry...

Indrid wrote:FORCE COMMANDER

Hammer of the Righteous (Max Power)

A dedicated AV option for the FC terminator armor.

Availability: Tier 3 (requires Terminator Armor)
Cost: 200/100
Weapon Family: blunt weapons - hammer -> melee_heavy
Damage: 105 melee_heavy dps on impact
Swing Pattern: The same as the normal thunder hammer assault terminators
Ability: Hammer of the Emperor - ability knockback - radius 10 (cooldown 50 seconds - 50 energy) .
Bonus: +500 HP

It would give the terminator armor of the force commander a good av option, cause right now, the only av he has is the power fist that comes with the terminator armor (and im just talking about the terminator armors av options - so yes i know that the normal fc has a good power fist). The kb ability means that he has some staying power on the field.

Potential Balance Concerns

It's too good! FC is too potent/versatile to have this (i.e. Max u FC fanboy - u just want buffs)! This could indeed be a problem, i mean u would get a 3000 hp teleporting hive tyrant with crushing claws. But - the tier it comes out and the price make up for that i guess - i mean the armor + the wargear would cost 400 req and 200 energy - if u didnt get any other wargear for ur hero.

Also maybe the terminator FC power fist should get a damage nerf, because it is only a sidearm after all.

M4573R_CH13f wrote:
Hammer and Stormshield o.O sounds awesome, but what is the target? he already is tanky and has splash power melee...

M4573R_CH13f wrote:Hammer and Stormshield o.O sounds awesome, but what is the target? he already is tanky and has splash power melee...

Indrid wrote:As for the TH + SS; you'd probably have to buff the damage over the 85 DPS of the fist or losing that nice storm bolter probably wouldn't be worth it. How about +300 HP from the shield (2800) and a 95 DPS heavy melee weapon? For like 150/80.

Nuclear Arbitor wrote:terminator fists are 68 dps. something in that ballpark should still be perfectly viable. and personally i'd rather see his health decreased with non hammer/shield and increased back to what it is now with those; he's pretty difficult to force off and fast and cheap (after the armour is purchased) to use compared to other terminator squads.

Orkfaeller wrote:

M4573R_CH13f wrote:
Hammer and Stormshield o.O sounds awesome, but what is the target? he already is tanky and has splash power melee...

Terminator Hammers arent Powermelee/Splash, they're Heavy Melee.

M4573R_CH13f wrote:

Orkfaeller wrote:

M4573R_CH13f wrote:
Hammer and Stormshield o.O sounds awesome, but what is the target? he already is tanky and has splash power melee...

Terminator Hammers arent Powermelee/Splash, they're Heavy Melee.

Sorry for that, somehow i read Thunderhammer.

Orkfaeller wrote:Terminators also use Thunderhammer, for what ever reason relic decided the force-commander's should work completly differently.

Orkfaeller wrote:Aye, the powerfist should propably look like this, or atleast a one-handed version of it.





While the idea behind the DoW-styled Thunderhammer (as a two handed power melee weapon) mostly fits the description of the relic blade, as worn by HonourGuards.





Well, relic put the DoW ThunderHammer into the original Dawn of War ( actually a deamon hammer ) and they decided that thing is like going to be the figureheard of the franchise, the thing even was in SPACE MARINE.

Maybe because people who dont know 40k might wonder otherwise why its called WARHAMMER 40.000.