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I don't know about you but my last few games despite wiping troop units just ends in vehicle spam, of which they are literally just rolling over invested troop infantry based factions, those which have little to or inferior vehicles in comparison to the opposition. It really needs to be talked about. it's really killing the game to an extent. I mean av was meant to counter maybe (1 or 2 vehicles) not 3 or 4 over the course of 1 game. it just doesn't work composition wise, Troop Movement for time wise regarding investment, and skirmish for loss ratio value wise in relations to just being able to store up mass amounts of resources because you aren't bleeding anything. It's really killing the game if I'm to be honest. I dont want this to turn into one of those games where vehicles are all that matter in the game.

Yeah, vehicles are really strong if you support them right, due to several reasons;

- your repair-squads can repair AND fight at the same time ( so you don t have to stop and repair)
- your hard-counter AV ( las-cannons) can often be matched in range by vehicles AND/OR disrupted.
- you do have little area denial (mines are mostly hero-specific/ field fortifications against vehicles are non-existent)
- there are no critical hits on vehicles like in Company of heroes ( engine damage/ main-gun destroyes/ tracks destroyed etc)

That's a very interesting take you have there Element, because If anything I find the opposite to be more true.
I feel like vehicles are usually a huge risk. They do not get the "safety" of a retreat button.
Once a vehicle is caught out of position it's usually done for. It doesn't even has to be out of position if you can make a proper assault against it.
Depending on the vehicle, once it is gone it leaves a big dent in your opponents economy and army composition.
Maybe if you provide some replays people could give you some insight in what went wrong in your games?

TE | NoSkill wrote:- your repair-squads can repair AND fight at the same time ( so you don t have to stop and repair)

This isn't entirely true. Sluggas for example will provide you nothing while repairing.
And once you go for multiple vehicles like Element is finding problematic it's hard to keep them repaired for most races.
Commanders that can repair and IG usually being the exception, IG especially with a repair bunker.

Element wrote:I don't know about you but my last few games despite wiping troop units just ends in vehicle spam, of which they are literally just rolling over invested troop infantry based factions, those which have little to or inferior vehicles in comparison to the opposition. It really needs to be talked about. it's really killing the game to an extent. I mean av was meant to counter maybe (1 or 2 vehicles) not 3 or 4 over the course of 1 game. it just doesn't work composition wise, Troop Movement for time wise regarding investment, and skirmish for loss ratio value wise in relations to just being able to store up mass amounts of resources because you aren't bleeding anything. It's really killing the game if I'm to be honest. I dont want this to turn into one of those games where vehicles are all that matter in the game.

send us a reply!remember that av level 4 vs vehicle level 1 is very lethal!

Here's a couple
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-https://dawnofwar.info/esl/match/50160405

https://dawnofwar.info/esl/match/50148717


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https://dawnofwar.info/esl/match/50186680

Element wrote:Here's a couple
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-https://dawnofwar.info/esl/match/50160405

https://dawnofwar.info/esl/match/50148717

i have watched the replay, your opponent got 2 bloodcrusher and u was still t1.....u couldn't win that match!

i have watched the replay, your opponent got 2 bloodcrusher and u was still t1.....u couldn't win that match!

Yes you can, He couldn't make use of them. and I was able to aquire the proper counters for them. and it was 1 at the end of T1. Please use the right context

git gud

Fathom, he had 4 vehicles and 1 repair unit. He outplayed you badly.

Don't just spread your units out and try to cap points all over the map cause all he had to do was pick off any of them and then send his full army against whatever you had left on the field. He won every engagement like that.

The tradeoff to fast teching is you have less of an army so you get pushed off and your gens bashed. He fast teched and you didn't punish him at all. A single unupgraded Shoota that didn't even take out a single gen doesn't count. You let him do what he wanted.

To support your argument, consider following notes regarding tanks:

- there are issues manouvering tanks across maps, we are grafting tanks to somewhat contradicting base vanilla design.

- tanks support inch-forth & inch-back tactics which may appear sterile,

- i would support giant tanks being left to team games, 3v3 preferably,

- tanks are appearing in increasing number in unit choices,

- W40k universe has much more interesting units than tanks.