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Venerable Dreadnought is an expensive berserker. In 90% of situations I`ve seen people used him - he died after 15 seconds of combat and 10 of Stoicism. The glorious death of the honourable chapter member. =(
Why GK dread has o_my_god_PLASMA_CANNON and the mere space marine dread doesnt? More over Venerable dread doest have it! He doesnt even have ANY ranged weapon! Why the world is so cruel?

First things first, I'm a Techmarine Player.

Now then, clearly those people are using the Ven Dread wrong. The Ven Dread when used correctly is a nightmare to everything melee because of its Charge, High HP and the 'Stoicism'(which is useless for the most part tbh) on top of normal Dread effects (Emperor's Fist, Inspire on Kill) and melee resistance (40% lesser damage).

Let's not forget that the Ven Dread is Hero Specific to the Techmarine who synergies well with Vehicles and Walkers due to his High Repair Rate and Blessings Of The Omnissiah global. Let not's even begin to talk about what a Ven Dread can do to enemies when either 'Mark Target' or 'Orbs' are used on them perfectly. You won't believe how well Melee TM with Ven Dread perform in specific situations. (Melee Orientated armies, Terminators etc) though this is rarely seen because of how people tend to favour his ranged builds.

In most of my games when I use a Ven Dread, they usually end up going to level 4 while never dying because of how I either send it to counter initiate, be a line breaker and still be able to escape both situations when it gets dicey thanks to the handy 'Charge' ability (under Blessings)

Adding a ranged weapon to an already great Melee Walker is too much. In fact, I gladly welcome a price increase or a nerf to the Ven Dread in general.

If you lose a Ven Dread, it's mostly because you overestimated him due to his price since he was meant to be countered by snares and ranged AV. This game is cruel to people who overestimate their units and underestimate the enemy.

Don't know much about GK, so can't argue there.

Vendread is getting possibility DAoT upgrade next patch. Like the standard SM Dread +hp and better insipiration for a cost.

Nurland wrote:Vendread is getting possibility DAoT upgrade next patch. Like the standard SM Dread +hp and better insipiration for a cost.

O_o you naughty tease.

Or maybe gets. It's in the beta atm so we will see how great lord caeltos sees things.

ye Dark-Age tech + VD ,hmmmmmmmmmmmmm 2050 hp at lv1 beautiful melee monster. GKCD>> Khorne dread>> VD in highest Dps hitters.

Plasma cannon would likely be useless on the Ven dread. It's fine as is, and will only be better assuming DAoT goes through.

GKCD>> Khorne dread>> VD in highest Dps hitters.

Incorrect.
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Venerable dread has a stun+charge, Kdread has more damage+speed+damage resistance, GK dread has two knockdowns (one with stun, the other with snare).

If you wanted a ranged version of a ven dread... Erm... Get a predator!

-_-

Let's not make any unit a no-brainer purchase here, the ven dread can't do everything, it already solos nobs >_>

agreed.

Hear Hear. Nice info Discreet

I have to say I love the idea of little add-ons for a cost. For example the grenade launchers on the GK Dread - I have no idea of cost vs performance but I do like the option - unless its a modding hassle it would be nice to see that as an option for vanilla and Venerable dreads.

Also very supportive of Dark Age of Tech purchasable upgrade for VenDread.

In most cases, Ven Dread will have a much higher survivability than a normal SM dread due to its higher HP and the charge ability allowing him to charge out of combat and in to safety. hes already ridiculous and couple that with him being cheaper than a normal SM dread (minus the red cost), its just silly. i would like to see a cost increase tbh, at 50 power its a bit silly. also if he dies in 15 seconds of being dropped, then its clear that they had way too much AV, and you should of gotten some terminators instead or maybe just even nuke their blob if you have the red, unless it was like a circle of 8 lacannon setup teams all facing inwards and spread out, and you dropped your ven dread right in to the middle of that.

and before you ask no, my name is in no way linked to Venerable Dreadnoughts ;_;

The Venerable Dreadnought is capable of soloing very strong melee units. No one told you to use it and solo the WHOLE ENEMY ARMY. Support with your techmarine and your other units, like, say, your predator or your plasma cannon devastators. You really could have taken terminators instead if you actually wanted ranged firepower.

lolzarz wrote:The Venerable Dreadnought is capable of soloing very strong melee units. No one told you to use it and solo the WHOLE ENEMY ARMY. Support with your techmarine and your other units, like, say, your predator or your plasma cannon devastators. You really could have taken terminators instead if you actually wanted ranged firepower.

yup this is pretty much a tl;dr of what i said.

Ven wrote:

lolzarz wrote:The Venerable Dreadnought is capable of soloing very strong melee units. No one told you to use it and solo the WHOLE ENEMY ARMY. Support with your techmarine and your other units, like, say, your predator or your plasma cannon devastators. You really could have taken terminators instead if you actually wanted ranged firepower.

yup this is pretty much a tl;dr of what i said.

Not really. You focused on the "terminators are not vehicles" bit, but I focused on the "terminators have guns" bit.