move imperial guard storm troopers

[Venjitron]

imperial guard storm troopers with vanilla wargear should be t1 and the upgrades availible t2 to help vs all the toughened stuff they should cost 380-25 power imo the end

[Torpid]

Why would they be better suited to T1?

[Ven]

yea venji we need context here. why do you think they'd be better in T1? whats your reasoning behind it? because to me; i see no reason for them to be in T1.

IG have arguably one of the best T1s in the game, i dont think it needs to get any stronger.

Ig already have the following in T1

the cheapest setup team in T1

two separate setup team counters, one with the ability to counter two at a time (spotters with two types of shell)

the most cost efficient, and best scaling infantry squad in the game, these squads also repair as fast as repair commanders

some of the cheapest bleed

a T1 vehicle that can be your first purchase, with a cheap melee counter. dont forget this thing is extremely fast.

catachans, i dont think i even need to explain these.

dont forget on demand garrsions, providing in-field reinforcement in T1. alongside buildable cover, a semi-unique mechanic to IG. did i mention the annoying 40dps turret thats worth 5 power?

so why on earth do storms need to be in T1?

[Daddy]

Actually can someone explain to me the difference between storm troopers and Karskin. Because I never understood. What scenario is each made for?

[Torpid]

Kasrkin have significantly more dps and slightly more HP so for the most part they're just better. Not to mention they cap faster and move faster when they have their sergeant. They also get AI and AV grenades simultaneously - the only reason you'de want storms over kasrkin is the infiltration for ninja-caps/hunting vehicles with melta storms/point-blank nading set-up teams to wipe them.

[Atlas]

Without any of their kits what real difference is there between regular guardsman and stormtroopers? I can only think of infiltration atm minus the superficial model/health/dps differences.

[Torpid]

Stormtroopers fire in bursts and have a terrible hp/req ratio when considering their reinforce cost. Guardsmen fire rather continuously but have the best hp/req ration for reinforcing of any unit in the game. With the AK they get extra range as well as the grenade and dps boost.

[Ven]

Stormtroopers fire in bursts and have a terrible hp/req ratio when considering their reinforce cost. Guardsmen fire rather continuously but have the best hp/req ration for reinforcing of any unit in the game. With the AK they get extra range as well as the grenade and dps boost.

i remember back in retail where assault kit increases the damage the storms take. kinda silly. but thank god for ELITE.

also, still waiting on you to reply venji. because right now, noone sees any reason to make them T1. especially as they fill the niche of "oh crap, floating 1000 req in T2; wat do?"

[lolzarz]

Actually can someone explain to me the difference between storm troopers and Karskin. Because I never understood. What scenario is each made for?

Kasrkin are super-guardsmen, somewhat like how Flash Gitz are super-shoota boyz. Stormtroopers are more specialized, like Kommandoz. You would use Kasrkin for front-line combat because they have more health, damage and range, while you would use stormtroopers to flank/backcap/harass because they can infiltrate.

In addition, stormtroopers are fully-outfitted with special weapons, while Kasrkin get 2 weapons for 5 members, so meltagun stormtroopers are better anti-vehicle units. Kasrkin also get plasma guns and grenade launchers to further improve their already good anti-infantry capabilities.

[Speedy^]

Karskins = Stormtroopers lorewise, just cadian things.

Stormtroopers would fill nothing in Tier 1 aside of bringing stealth into the mix. They wouldn't be able to add anything to tier 1. They do fill the 1000 reg o'crap situation in tier 2 though.

[Cheah18]

Karskins = Stormtroopers lorewise, just cadian things.

Stormtroopers would fill nothing in Tier 1 aside of bringing stealth into the mix. They wouldn't be able to add anything to tier 1. They do fill the 1000 reg o'crap situation in tier 2 though.

I shall nit pick and say Kasrkins = STs only in table top rules; in pure lore, they are actually quite different. Kasrkin are more like other regiments 'grenadiers' in that they are drafted from the 'best of the best' of Cadia's own regular army, and are revered as heroes by fellow cadians. They also fight on the frontline and lead the attack in the vanguard. STs on the other hand are 'glory boys' from the Schola progenium who aren't attached specifically to any one body of regular forces, and are used around the galaxy for special, covert missions where required.

[Protagonist]

I cant think of a reason why Stromtroopers should be moved to t1. As is, they're a risky unit that do a great job at melting t1 and t2 infantry and for late game ninja plays. IG really doesnt a good glass cannon when the sentinel is already really really good at bullying people around.

I wouldn't mind seeing the faster capping speed that the kasrkins currently enjoy transferred to the Stormtroopers so they can have some advantage other than infiltration over what is currently their t3 counterparts. That or maybe have kasrkins become an upgrade for the ST's in a manner similar to sternguards and vanguards. But tangents aside, the IG ST shouldn't be in t1.