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i really love the nurgle upgrade on the chaos tank. so much better than in retail.. so how about giving the dreadnought 2
more marks..

mark of nurgle something like autocanon with DOA and damage to troops like icon of nurgle/ or maybe more health and make it slower like the tank..
mark of slaanesh sonic blaster

i just think its a no brainer to make 2 more marks and the game even better.

Nobody more than me would like a Mark of Slaanesh on something.
I doubt we will ever seen one, but yes, on a Dreadnought it would be quite a no-brainer to use the Sonic Dreadnought.

It's quite strong in TT, and Chaos Dread don't have a late upgrade, so i think it should be a T3 upgrade.
Normally it have a choice between Twin-Linked Sonic Blaster or a Blastmaster.
Then it have a Doom Siren, that in game should be more or less like the Merciless Strike.

A Blastmaster/Doom Siren would be an interesting combo for a flexible Dread, but i think the Sonic Blaster is so rarely seen after T2 that it would be nice to have one.

In TT they have two abilities.
Warp Amp say that if the Dread remains immobile, they can shoot twice.
Overdrive makes your sonic attacks do rending but they get hot.

I think those are two amazing abilities for a transition in Dawn of War.
Warp Amp could be similar to the Rage of the MoK Dread, but makes your Dread remain immobile and shoot more.
The other could be a change in type of damage (from Flame to Plasma or Psychic) in exchange of taking more damage from attacks or depleting its life.

It is still daydreaming, but it's nice to think about it.

Yeah . slaneesh is a little lonely in this game.. only 1 unit and no marks..

I've also been thinking alot lately about getting some marks of slaanesh for the dread and predator.
My thoughts were for a slightly increased fire rate or a decreased reload speed with an increase in speed (something small like 0.5) , sort of like the original mark of khorne (loved the nascar preds) but not at the same level.

The Mark of Slaanesh on a Predator, for me, should be the Infernal Relic Predator with Flamestorm Cannon // Heavy Flamer sponsons.

Boost his speed and, so, make it a fast but close ranged tank.
His Flamestorm cannon should be good vs Heavy Infantry.

Very risky, as getting close and personal in T3 makes you lose it very easily, but could be very rewarding if you are able to put it in the middle of the enemy army, cut his reinforcement and/or hunt lonely units.
But then again you lose your AV capability.

Nothing say Slaanesh like a fast vehicle able to get in the middle of the enemy infantry to spread pain and confusion.

Yeah this sounds fun but also viable love to see the chaos dread have a blast-master as a gk dread has a plasma cannon. Increased speed on chaos pred would also be great with mark of Slaanesh as i often find them sluggish and they often get pathing problems so i wouldn't mind so more speed. I know that sound....IT IS DOOM!:P

Mark of Nurgle for Chaos Dread.

- Option 1: Health Increase, HP regeneration, Melee Resistance Aura, ranged damage increased by 15%, speed decreased. Cost: 120/40.

Purpose: Multipurpose upgrade, similar to MoK Chaos Predator one. Not as good as MoK killing stuff in melee combat, but better that the MoT in melee combat. Not as good as MoT dealing with vehicles, but better with infantry.

- Option 2: Speed decreased, Health Regeneration, Healing aura (can't stack with other healing auras), reinforce.
Purpose: Reinforce in field for Chaos. Similar system as the new Chimera ability?

Mark of Slaanesh for Chaos Dread.
Not very sure here, to be honest. Maybe a Sonic Blaster or Blastmaster Dread, more focused in disruption rather than damage. Or a buffer/debuffer one.

Mark of Slaanesh for Chaos Predator.
Same as Chaos Dread.

A chaos dread that gives you the ability to reinforce on the field + healing aura, yeah sounds totally not op at all.

And why does chaos need even more upgrades, I'd say that chaos right now is really strong compared to other races and doesn't need any new upgrades at the moment (yeah biased SM-Fanboy).

MaxPower wrote:And why does chaos need even more upgrades, I'd say that chaos right now is really strong compared to other races and doesn't need any new upgrades at the moment (yeah biased SM-Fanboy).

I'd argue that what they need are more range units/sidegrades from a compositional standpoint. It's not a crisis but its something that would contribute to their performance as a race and the diversification of their build orders.

MaxPower wrote:A chaos dread that gives you the ability to reinforce on the field + healing aura, yeah sounds totally not op at all.

And why does chaos need even more upgrades, I'd say that chaos right now is really strong compared to other races and doesn't need any new upgrades at the moment (yeah biased SM-Fanboy).

Have in mind the high cost (410/120 + 120/40); his reduced speed, which is going to make him even more vulnerable to heavy_melee squads and snares, even more if we have in mind his lack of melee resistance aura and his relatively low health for a Dread; that his health regeneration aura don't stack with Nurgle Workshipp...

Of course, such a strong support unit in a faction with such aggressive playstyle could be a bit OP... if the unit isn't balanced.

MaxPower wrote:A chaos dread that gives you the ability to reinforce on the field + healing aura, yeah sounds totally not op at all.

And why does chaos need even more upgrades, I'd say that chaos right now is really strong compared to other races and doesn't need any new upgrades at the moment (yeah biased SM-Fanboy).

as a chaos main. i second this. the reinforement around a dread sounds a bit over the top. chaos's weakness is mobility and mobile on-field reinforcement. if they got something like that then i'd completely overshadow their weakness as a race.

however that being said, i would still like to see this but its more of a "i'd be cool to see this" rather than a "WE NEED THIS OR CHAOS IS UP". i dont think a health regen aura around a slow walker wouldn't hurt. i'd be a nice support option. but this has been discussed in another topic recently here; viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1397
the general consensus is that chaos doesnt from a balance and mechanical standpoint need more units, what people would like to see however is perhaps a T3 subcommander.

Please don't add this to chaos before the Tdread missile launcher is nerfed.

Cheah18 wrote:Please don't add this to chaos before the Tdread missile launcher is nerfed.

wouldnt a new mark promote the use of the new mark vs infantry rather than MoT vs infantry? not sure of your logic here.

Um that Nurgle upgrades sound a bit mental tbh was thing more like a giant bile spewer as Gk has inferno cannon to help bash genes,fight infantry, destroy structures etc.

Even with an hypothetical Reinforce-in-field healing aura MoN Chaos Dread the reinforce-in-field would still be a Chaos weakness. Have in mind how much resources are you spending in something that requires an army to be effective, how much weakness it have and that except the health regen for itself its basically a slower default Chaos Dread.

Ven wrote:

Cheah18 wrote:Please don't add this to chaos before the Tdread missile launcher is nerfed.

wouldnt a new mark promote the use of the new mark vs infantry rather than MoT vs infantry? not sure of your logic here.

My logic is that if I get a vehicle out, the Tdread handles it AND my infantry. No one gets the MoT just for infantry.

providing more compositional options does not result in the MoT getting worse.

Cheah18 wrote:

Ven wrote:

Cheah18 wrote:Please don't add this to chaos before the Tdread missile launcher is nerfed.

wouldnt a new mark promote the use of the new mark vs infantry rather than MoT vs infantry? not sure of your logic here.

My logic is that if I get a vehicle out, the Tdread handles it AND my infantry. No one gets the MoT just for infantry.

providing more compositional options does not result in the MoT getting worse.

well, lets say the MoN upgrade is anti infantry only, lets say an assault cannon for example. they wont be doing AV. so MoT doesnt strictly need balancing before any new marks if they fill different rolls.

(also, i dont know about you but sometimes i do get MoT just for infantry. frenzied barrage too stronk.)

Ven wrote:(also, i dont know about you but sometimes i do get MoT just for infantry. frenzied barrage too stronk.)

You play 3v3 predominantly right? A lot of things fly there that don't in 1v1.

If you add in something else as a preferable upgrade over an already broken upgrade, you are only giving the chaos player more options. Even if it is better vs infantry, if it is reasonably balanced it will not be a means to balance the broken thing. The reason the Tdread is broke anyway isn't its anti-infantry capabilities alone, but its ability to suppress blobs of infantry and... You know how strong it is, all the while packing a massive AV punch. Adding an additional/better AI option won't change the Tdreads broken versatility.

Don't see the reason for additional chaos dread functionality either; all it could do with is more autocannon damage.

Nurgle and Slaanesh marks on a Chaos Dreadnought could be used to fit the Dreadnought into some new roles.

Mark of Nurgle could be used to make the Dreadnought's autocannon inflict damage over time, making it a good ranged unit against heavy infantry and lonely units like monstrous creatures.

Mark of Slaanesh could be used to change the dreadn's ranged weapon by a twin linked sonic blaster just like in the picture, giving him the role of a flamer walker, since Chaos Terminators haven´t the flamer option; like the Noise Marine's sonic blaster but without the ranged attack disable hability.