Dawn of War Codex

so after reading this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1286
i decided to make a new thread, dedicated to suggesting name changes for units that currently exist in the game.

you are free to leave suggestions of your own below.

Doom of Malan'tai ----> Neurothrope - for reasons in the thread i linked above.

Heretics -----> Cultists - "Heretic" could be a unit name for litterally any chaos unit save the deamons. changing heretics to cultists makes a lot more sense.

Commisar Lord -------> Lord Commisar - its very annoying using the abriviation "CL" and then having to say either "Commisar lord" or "Chaos lord" anyway, completely removing the point of using the abriviation in the fist place.

Chaos Havocs/Chaos Raptors -----> Havocs/Raptors- i mean really, why do we need the word "chaos" before the actual name of the squad, when said squad is unique to chaos anyway. its a bit redundant.

Press for change! I say LC all the time anyway, if someone says CL to me then that's chaos lord. LC is the proper term in lore and it makes more sense from a practical standpoint.

agreeing with all proposed changes

What about Autarch to Swooping Hawk Exarch?

Ghorm wrote:What about Autarch to Swooping Hawk Exarch?

That wouldn't technically be correct since she can still upgrade to either banshee or fire dragon weapons.

It's also redundant, since autarchs are supposed to somewhat distance themselves from a one specific path and all that.

Agreed with all proposed changes.

That wouldn't technically be correct since she can still upgrade to either banshee or fire dragon weapons.

It's also redundant, since autarchs are supposed to somewhat distance themselves from a one specific path and all that.

Ah gotcha.

I saw the wings and Skyleap and thought Swooping Hawk.

I agree with all the original suggestions. I don't care about abbreviations, but they are called Lord Commissars. Dunno why Relic put the words the other way around.

Neurothrope change is already in internal builds afaik.

DO NOT change original names like heretics !!! Just dont touch it, please. Commissar Lord -> Lord Commissar is acceptable though. Really, it is not necessary to change something just "because we can".

DandyFrontline wrote:DO NOT change original names like heretics !!! Just dont touch it, please. Commissar Lord -> Lord Commissar is acceptable though. Really, it is not necessary to change something just "because we can".

Good thing the reasons are not just because we can then. Please read.

Dark Riku wrote:Good thing the reasons are not just because we can then. Please read.

+1

i've given a reason behind all the proposed changes. And really, its a name change and nothing more, its not like its changing the heretics damage type to Melee_heavy.

Ven wrote:its not like its changing the heretics damage type to Melee_heavy.

Though we could...

Indrid wrote:I agree with all the original suggestions. I don't care about abbreviations, but they are called Lord Commissars. Dunno why Relic put the words the other way around.

Neurothrope change is already in internal builds afaik.

Let me link a video for you as a response to your statement, why relic did what they did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGs7JU7eM

Please also consider changing 'Karsrkin' into 'Grenadiers'. The reason being is that it seems strange that karsrkin, who are meant to defend Cadia, are going off world and fighting in different imperial guard regiments. Furthermore, this will allow skinners to implement different types of grenadier skins for each regiment, such as 'Death korps grenadiers'. Besides, Karsrkin are Grenadier's anyway (abit specialised for cadians), so it would still work with the unit.

Spartan717 wrote:Please also consider changing 'Karsrkin' into 'Grenadiers'. The reason being is that it seems strange that karsrkin, who are meant to defend Cadia, are going off world and fighting in different imperial guard regiments. Furthermore, this will allow skinners to implement different types of grenadier skins for each regiment, such as 'Death korps grenadiers'. Besides, Karsrkin are Grenadier's anyway (abit specialised for cadians), so it would still work with the unit.

thing is though that the current Kasrkin not only use Kasrkin armor, but the karskin hellguns aswell. a name change like that would actually be less fluffy than what it is now without additional work.

I agree with Heretics to Cultists from a lore standpoint, but then we can't call them tics anymore...

Lichtbringer wrote:I agree with Heretics to Cultists from a lore standpoint, but then we can't call them tics anymore...

tists?

Ven wrote:

Spartan717 wrote:Please also consider changing 'Karsrkin' into 'Grenadiers'. The reason being is that it seems strange that karsrkin, who are meant to defend Cadia, are going off world and fighting in different imperial guard regiments. Furthermore, this will allow skinners to implement different types of grenadier skins for each regiment, such as 'Death korps grenadiers'. Besides, Karsrkin are Grenadier's anyway (abit specialised for cadians), so it would still work with the unit.

thing is though that the current Kasrkin not only use Kasrkin armor, but the karskin hellguns aswell. a name change like that would actually be less fluffy than what it is now without additional work.

I really can't make my mind up here. Proposal makes sense but meh Grenadiers is such a non-specific name...

agreed with OP

except i will still call them tics

I would start calling them "cool tits" an just "tits" for short.

You know your parents don't really like you when they name you Commissar as well as sending you to commissar school.

I think it's due time to change the Chaos Dreadnought to a Hellbrute

appiah4 wrote:I think it's due time to change the Chaos Dreadnought to a Hellbrute

but chaos dreadnoughts and hellbrutes are completely different things.

Ven wrote:

appiah4 wrote:I think it's due time to change the Chaos Dreadnought to a Hellbrute

but chaos dreadnoughts and hellbrutes are completely different things.

I believe the Hellbrute effectively replaced the Chaos Dreadnought as a unit? And again, I may be absolutely super wrong.

appiah4 wrote:

Ven wrote:

appiah4 wrote:I think it's due time to change the Chaos Dreadnought to a Hellbrute

but chaos dreadnoughts and hellbrutes are completely different things.

I believe the Hellbrute effectively replaced the Chaos Dreadnought as a unit? And again, I may be absolutely super wrong.

Effectively yes, however5 technically a Hellbrute is a more daemonically mutated Dreadnought.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Dreadnought
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Helbrute

bascially a chaos dreadnought is a dreadnought, where as a helbrute is more along the lines of this http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Centurion_Armour


in terms of size etc.

Ven wrote:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Dreadnought
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Helbrute

bascially a chaos dreadnought is a dreadnought, where as a helbrute is more along the lines of this http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Centurion_Armour


in terms of size etc.

Err, do you own a Helbrute? A Helbrute is effectively a Dreadnought in all respects. I still prefer the name Dreadnought however.

Definitly no. A hellbrute is not a centurion.
A hellbrute is a Chaos Dreadnought that has been affected by the warp.

iffff you read what i said.

i said it was about the same size, the helbrute might be a bit bigger.

Ven wrote:bascially a chaos dreadnought is a dreadnought, where as a helbrute is more along the lines of this http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Centurion_Armour
in terms of size etc.

assuming SM and CSM dreads are roughly the same size, here is a size comparison

You said "size, ect" ... And no, the hellbrute is the same size as a dreadnought because it is one!