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http://www.gamereplays.org/dawnofwar2/r ... &id=301601

I think the replay pretty much speaks for itself here...

Forestradio wrote:http://www.gamereplays.org/dawnofwar2/replays.php?game=47&show=details&id=301601

I think the replay pretty much speaks for itself here...

I need more information about that game cause I'm at work and need to wait 9,5 hours until i can finally watch it ;(

Frankly,Tyranids economy always been gud. LA leap on your psy purgs and your sanctuary timing on that bit off ,could"ve shrouded 1 psy purg instead . GKCD used to match even TB Carnfiex but its dph/dps pales in comparison now . While your TL/GKCD smack on Fex, your BC tele ahead & didn't tie up Venom broods in time. Perhaps COA to disable GSB ability or Nemesis vortex to defend purgs from GSB/WB

You should went T3 slightly earlier for Paladins . Sigh, IST such low hp and BC so effing slow,what else is there. TL is energy intensive but his energy-pool is lower then SM Lib at lv3/4

Out of curiosity, who's the biggest gg no re for GK?

HT is ridiculously tanky and impossible to control in T1
RA has his crippling talon shenanigans to troll the BC. I still need to test whether burrow and mines stun the rhino and the BC.
LA because LA

Bitching all the game about "stupid OP ridiculous unbalanced omg rofl nids im not losing because im worse playing it's all about balance" and win at the end. That's how i can describe this replay.

Im totally not GK player, and not very good at 1vs1 but i think rhino with lasscannon would help do deal with carnifexes. Or some badass termis or paladins.

Cheekie Monkie wrote:Out of curiosity, who's the biggest gg no re for GK?

HT is ridiculously tanky and impossible to control in T1

Purgation are the best control unit in the game bar none. Their AoE crippling poison lasts a long time and Stormtrooper DPS does a nice number on the Hive Tyrant.

Personally, I find GK the hardest race to go up against as Nids after IG.

Plus very fast AV in T2 as rhino and at T3 you can spam Paladins and Termies to kill everything what Tyranid can field.

hiveminion wrote:Purgation are the best control unit in the game bar none. Their AoE crippling poison lasts a long time and Stormtrooper DPS does a nice number on the Hive Tyrant.

Personally, I find GK the hardest race to go up against as Nids after IG.

I'm going to side with Forest on this one. I'm by no means a GK expert, but what I have played of them makes me very very sad when I'm vs nids. Crippling Poison completely nullifies the BC, basically any nid hero can tie up either strikes or ists and horms can deal with any gk capping ist squad. Rhino is risky at best since every hero has power melee in some kind. Yes, the lasrhino is good in t2 but there's a good chance you'll be very behind in terms of the overall game status by the time you get that out.

Sturnn wrote:Plus very fast AV in T2 as rhino and at T3 you can spam Paladins and Termies to kill everything what Tyranid can field.

Considering every good GK knows there is no point even going T3 vs nids you just proved you have no idea what you are talking about :L

Warriors are too good vs the GK t1. Genestealers vs the GK T2. The DOM vs the GK t3.

Torpid wrote:Considering every good GK knows there is no point even going T3 vs nids you just proved you have no idea what you are talking about :L

Sorry Mr. DoW 2 God for even saying anything. I promise I wont do this again.

Sturnn wrote:

Torpid wrote:Considering every good GK knows there is no point even going T3 vs nids you just proved you have no idea what you are talking about :L

Sorry Mr. DoW 2 God for even saying anything. I promise I wont do this again.

*cradles you*

I'm sorry, I can't help but be blunt when people say things which are as false as 8^2 = 16. I don't mean it as insult, I just really dislike misinformation.

Torpid wrote:

Sturnn wrote:

Torpid wrote:Considering every good GK knows there is no point even going T3 vs nids you just proved you have no idea what you are talking about :L

No point, GKCD is shiteee ,it can stand toe to toe against TB fex b4 it got nerfed . Its dph/dps shd be adjusted to be like Ven dread. GK doesn't have any snaring AV, lv1 VA w TL won't cut vs dem Fexes. Waiting for Pals is the other solution to counter TB fex since 2 Psy purgs will get jumped by LA again.

I just want to point out that I was the nid player. I had 0 idea what I was doing and microed pretty horribly for most of the game. Also that was my 1st or 2nd 1v1 ever as Nids.

Nurland wrote:I just want to point out that I was the nid player. I had 0 idea what I was doing and microed pretty horribly for most of the game. Also that was my 1st or 2nd 1v1 ever as Nids.

So you were essentially a Tyranid noob and you rekt Forestradio? Are your fundamentals that good, or are Grey Knights that bad?

Fine question indeed.

Just: http://www.gamereplays.org/dawnofwar2/r ... ost9744792

rekt.

The point of the replay being that someone can instantly switch to playing LA from their main and get better results, and that someone playing LA can make 10x the mistakes someone using another hero can and still come out ahead...

Or is it that when you're assuming you're facing an OP race and get frustrated you play worse than usual?

You're both wrong.

Clearly the message of the replay is that Nurland is a god of learning new races, being able to compete at the highest levels of play within a few tries.

Well yes, but it's also a comment on how people can see the same thing differently. Though unlikely, it could still be a legitimate observation - which it is. Nurland is just that good.

hiveminion wrote:Or is it that when you're assuming you're facing an OP race and get frustrated you play worse than usual?

You realise that that would give double the incentive to nerf the race in question?

Sheffelite/2marston spotted!

Toilailee wrote:Sheffelite/2marston spotted!

As if shitty-ass oheuvanator was playing back in 2011 and he is still absolutely fucking garbage now. Guy loses to a farseer in 4mins with his CL ffs. *sigh*

Torpid wrote:

hiveminion wrote:Or is it that when you're assuming you're facing an OP race and get frustrated you play worse than usual?

You realise that that would give double the incentive to nerf the race in question?

Double the incentive to cry OP yes. Whether the perception that the race is OP or not is legitimate is a different matter.

hiveminion wrote:Double the incentive to cry OP yes. Whether the perception that the race is OP or not is legitimate is a different matter.

Fair point, however it's still not doing anything to say that the race is positively not OP. It is just saying that if someone thinks a race is OP they will play worse vs it. Which really is tangential to the discussion. I.E is a race OP. Also, regarding tyranids specifically the fact that nearly all the community agrees that tyranids are uber gud (especially the LA though) would be evidence that they are OP in and of itself. Of course, consensus is never a good indicator of OP and nor is ad hominem. However if all the best players think the LA overperforms...

I've always believed that the main reason so many people think Nids are (still) OP, is because so few people play them. This means that:

1. Lots of players have no qualms about requesting Nid nerfs as it doesn't affect their gameplay.
2. People play less frequently against Nids so have less experience dealing with them.
3. Few people are vocal in defense of Nids.

LA of course is and always has been a notoriously aggravating hero to go up against in 1v1, but that must be considered separately from the performance of Nids in general.

Hm tricky 1. Tbf there arnt many players who main nids or gk. Need to see and play them both a bit more especially in 1v1 but i felt that both races have very skilled players who know how to handle the majority of threats:(

hiveminion wrote:I've always believed that the main reason so many people think Nids are (still) OP, is because so few people play them. This means that:

1. Lots of players have no qualms about requesting Nid nerfs as it doesn't affect their gameplay.
2. People play less frequently against Nids so have less experience dealing with them.
3. Few people are vocal in defense of Nids.

LA of course is and always has been a notoriously aggravating hero to go up against in 1v1, but that must be considered separately from the performance of Nids in general.

I don't see any reason to believe that. Nids are very popular in 1v1, especially at high level. Barely anybody is vocal in the defence of nids because they're OP. Besides, those who defend a race for not being OP really shouldn't the ones who play it. In theory sure, they should know most about the race. In reality though they may do but it's irrelevant due to bias. At the very least they should be proficient with another race.