New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

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New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby VivaMiriya » Fri 13 Mar, 2015 10:45 am

Being a detriment to his team. I could type out what I think I'm doing wrong or I can just show you. With the way wait times are atm in regards to getting a game, I hate feeling like I'm that guy. Sometimes I win and know my teammates carried me otherwise well.


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Resources I've read up on my own or viewed before making this post
Starter's Guide
Advanced Strategy Guide
This vid off of Indrid's stream

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time. Vids linked below.


Youtube 2v2 Ruins of Argus
CSM CL vs GK (Me)
IG: Inquisitor vs SM Apothecary? (Ally)

6v6 Garvus Ice Gate
3v3 CSM/IG/CSM vs CSM/CSM/SM

Also uploading a 2v2 CSM CL/SM Apothecary vs GK/IG I just played. I have no idea how to post replays from the game besides just recording with OBS and uploading to the 'tube. So yeah.
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby VivaMiriya » Fri 13 Mar, 2015 10:47 am

Also 2v2 Meridian High City
CSM CL and SM Apothecary vs GK/IG

GK seems to be my kryptonite but I think thats the least of my problems.
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby Dark Riku » Fri 13 Mar, 2015 1:22 pm

MandozerTheGreat wrote:
I have no idea how to post replays from the game besides just recording with OBS and uploading to the 'tube. So yeah.
Go to C:\Users\Riku\Documents\my games\dawn of war ii - retribution\playback
Here are your replays files. Replace Riku with whatever username you have.
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby Batpimp » Fri 13 Mar, 2015 4:23 pm

all this advice comes from an average/experienced player. I aint no pro though. Don't feel discouraged because MANY if not everyone does these things when they first play. :D
I don't think that game was entirely your fault either.

thanks for uploading the vids to you tube.

Youtube 2v2 Ruins of Argus
CSM CL vs GK (Me)
IG: Inquisitor vs SM Apothecary? (Ally)


Things I noticed:

1. You don't use grid keys. You use the standard layout. Grid keys changes the keyboard commands you can use to create units, order units and use abilities.

2. You don't use hotkeys. For example, you seem to click on everything in a linear fashion. You can instead save time and mouse movement by using the keyboard to initiate commands and the mouse to aim. Instead of applying one action at a time you setup 2nd and 3rd commands if you press shift+(execute a command)

This will require extensive practice especially because you now have to memorize abilities to specific keys for each unit. Each unit is diff too!

For example, these are the first few things you did in the beginning of the game. You created the CSM. ( I couldn't tell if it was with the hotkey or mouse). If you did hotkey great! if not use it next time. After you sent CL and Tics to capture they had no follow up commands. This is why you see the CL and tics idling after completing their point capture.

You selected the CSM by using the group binding 3 and moved them to the forward line( GOOD!). In case you didn't know you can setup a rally point from the base. You can use that feature by selecting the main base and then either right clicking your hero or a unit or a point on the map. That way when your unit spawns it goes to that rally point.

It seems irrelevant in the first few minutes of the game. This type of stuff is CRUCIAL come t2 and t3 when units can literally be killed in 5 seconds. If you are spending 1 second or 1/5 of that time moving the mouse. aiming the ability. activating the ability and missing. Or in the same vein dodging an enemys tactics it could mean victory or loss.

after that you continued to individually click on a unit order them a command then click on another unit and give them one command and so on an so forth. What this doesn't take into account is that DURING that time you can have grenades thrown at you.. commanders suppress or control your units. or you could be walking into a trap.

try to move your army as a whole and during the engagement adjust individually and order commands then. If you for example ask a CSM unit to attack a unit. The moment that unit leaves the fog of war now or out of range your CSM are idle and or exposed. Which could be a wipe by melee squads being to close in or maybe a grenade toss you weren't expecting.

3. during the first few moments of the game when you are capturing. You don't have to hover over the CL and just watch him or any other of your units. Use that time to create units. Watch your teammate. Scout the map via audio clues or visual clues. I have this habit too of being a spectator. I am engrossed in what is happening instead of clearing my mind and realizing I should be doing something. I have to say it in my head over and over "what else could I be doing" until you don't say it you just do it. When you watch really good people play they are moving around the map SO much to get any info they can.

4. in the first engagement you can always force melee with CSM vs lighter ranged armies. For example, Storm troopers or guardians or scouts etc. You wont take much dmg if its a 1v1 fight and you can push aggressively until tactically its not your advantage to do so.

5. after the first engagement you sent a half dead CL and half dead tics to the middle. There was no urgency yet to HAVE to do that. Those are things you have to do when you are about to lose the game or its very close. Until you get better and can be more decisive about how you are going to re inforce you might benefit but putting your units on auto reinforce the moment they are spawned. You can do this by RIGHT clicking the green reinforce button. This will save you time until you are more experienced to decide if and when to reinforce them.
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby Batpimp » Fri 13 Mar, 2015 4:39 pm

6. after the middle engagement you still had not invested in power.

7. I noticed you didn't manually setup your weapons team. In other words. you commanded to stand somewhere but you didn't ever command them to setup. You left it up to the Heavy Weapons Team (HWT) to decide which way to face and when.

8. don't double cap with units. For example, @18:10 you have two tics capturing one point. Waste of time.

9. I don't think you fully understood when to use the knockback/knockdown ability cacophony. You use them at inappropriate times.
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby Surprise Attack! » Fri 13 Mar, 2015 4:53 pm

Add me on steam if you want to 1v1. It's really the best way to get good fast.
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby Batpimp » Fri 13 Mar, 2015 5:45 pm

the BEST BEST way to get better is to take up surprise attacks offer.

you will learn 10 times faster than trying to figure it out on your own or reading text.

I am also available often to play.
my steam profile is in my sig

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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby VivaMiriya » Fri 13 Mar, 2015 7:49 pm

....you can deploy heavy weapons teams? Like start the setup, decide the fire arc, all that? How?

Also I will definitely add you both to steam. To reply to the thing about hotkeys. My first move every game is to press F1 to select my base then S to queue up a CSM. I have hotkeys remembered for the lord, tics, noise marine, and AC CSM. It helps that their abilities are ones I use often.

Can you explain grid hotkeys some more?
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby VivaMiriya » Fri 13 Mar, 2015 7:50 pm

....you can deploy heavy weapons teams? Like start the setup, decide the fire arc, all that? How?

Also I will definitely add you both to steam. To reply to the thing about hotkeys. My first move every game is to press F1 to select my base then S to queue up a CSM. I have hotkeys remembered for the lord, tics, noise marine, and AC CSM. It helps that their abilities are ones I use often.

Can you explain grid hotkeys some more?
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby Torpid » Fri 13 Mar, 2015 8:29 pm

MandozerTheGreat wrote:....you can deploy heavy weapons teams? Like start the setup, decide the fire arc, all that? How?

Also I will definitely add you both to steam. To reply to the thing about hotkeys. My first move every game is to press F1 to select my base then S to queue up a CSM. I have hotkeys remembered for the lord, tics, noise marine, and AC CSM. It helps that their abilities are ones I use often.

Can you explain grid hotkeys some more?


To manually set-up HWTs continue to hold down your right click when you make a move command and then position your mouse in the direction you want the squad to face. An arc outline should appear showing you where they will be able to fire while you do this. They will position in that direction as soon as you stop holding the right click button.

Take a look at this page for more info on grid keys and other tips regarding micro:
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby Adeptus Noobus » Sat 14 Mar, 2015 5:50 pm

I noticed you rotated the camera in the 6v6 on Ice Gate to a kind of behind your units view. Though it looks cool, it reduces your ability to see the things you need to see, e.g. units coming in from behind or even reinforcement coming in, which can severly cost you your units or make you retreat your units prematurely. That is a serious strategic disadvantage.

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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby egewithin » Sat 14 Mar, 2015 10:18 pm

6v6 ?!! Oh, I think my computer can even chrash when it sees the replay link of it.

Nope, just kidding (Thankfully)! It is just wasn't designed for playing heavy games.
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby Atlas » Sun 15 Mar, 2015 1:04 am

I actually am fine with the camera rotation, it's just a personal preference really.

It also occurred to me that I put the response for this thread in another thread :P. I'll sum up:

You just need hours pounded out into the game. You understand the basic ideas of the game and you just need time to put it all together. Don't worry bro, you'll get there!
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby VivaMiriya » Mon 16 Mar, 2015 6:04 pm

Thanks for all the replies, I appreciate the info. Grid hotkeys and actually setting up weapons teams helped alot. I'm finding myself leaning more towards support play. Using the Sorceror alot more with 2 tics, one AC Melee, one naked/GL for the sorcerer to feed off of. How do I upload the replays that come in my playback folder properly. File is a .rec, and the size is way too small to be an actual video? I'm guessing the game does replays based on inputs or something rather than raw video?
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby Atlas » Mon 16 Mar, 2015 11:39 pm

Your intuition's good! If you give that .rec file to anyone else with Elite, they can just place it in their Playback folder and watch it ingame.
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby VivaMiriya » Sat 21 Mar, 2015 8:29 pm

Playing with surprise attack helped a ton. You're awesome bro, appreciate all the replays you've been throwing my way. Speaking of which I got one of my own. First 1v1 win that I felt I earned. How can I improve my play?
http://www.gamereplays.org/dawnofwar2/r ... &id=301993
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby VivaMiriya » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 5:43 pm

Its been a while friends. I've just hit Level 40+ as a chaos lord. Here are some replays I made on the way. Could you take a look at it and tell me what I could do to improve my play.

3v3 Argus Gate Loss
3v3 Argus Gate Win
3v3 Boranis Refinery early loss
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Re: New CSM player seeks knowledge on how to stop

Postby Batpimp » Tue 21 Jul, 2015 8:45 pm

hey man I totally forgot to check out ther eplays you asked me to look at.

I will remind myself to at least check out one and give my input
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