Dawn of War Codex

o/ guys!

So, 2.6.1 is right around the corner, and that means that I'll basically move right into coding up 2.7 from there.

2.7 has more substantial decisions to make though, such as nids av and other stuff. I was wondering if you guys were curious about some possible change or another that you would like to see in action and I would quickly code it up and stream it for you to see.

Keep in mind that just because I code it up doesn't mean that it's going to be an actual change. This is more for curiosity/hypothetical changes.

Atm, the only real thing I personally want to test is Shee leap/charge and how we might be able to tweak it a bit. There's been proponents on both sides and I'd like to just show changes in action to make a more informed decision.

Is there anything else you'd like to see? I'm looking for answers like "What if we gave the PF FC a melta pistol?" and stuff like that. Go nuts, and I'll collect a list and put a stream together about it soon enough.

give back diomede's portrait and voice instead of Gabriel

Aguxyz wrote:give back diomede's portrait and voice instead of Gabriel

NO

Aguxyz wrote:give back diomede's portrait and voice instead of Gabriel

I kinda have to agree with that.


Edit:

Shroom wrote:NO

FIGHT!

Aguxyz wrote:give back diomede's portrait and voice instead of Gabriel

Absolutely agree gabriels voice sounds so shitty and pathetic, at least give choice between voices. it's literally impossible to play fc with gabriels voice.

Ok wow, was not expecting that suggestion The portrait change should be easy enough, but will probably have to tinker a bit to get the voice lines right.

Atlas wrote:Ok wow, was not expecting that suggestion The portrait change should be easy enough, but will probably have to tinker a bit to get the voice lines right.

DON'T FUCKING DO IT

Make a Blood Ravens Elite scheme. And the Fc for them will be gabriel!!

If you want i can do it! There are some armors in the game that should easily help with the Scheme. No need for new models for the armor.

you already got veterans of aestas though

The problem with replacing the Gabriel voice lines with Diomedes is that the Brother Captain already uses them - one possible way to deal with this would be to remove the GK from the game. Just a suggestion.

Oddnerd wrote:The problem with replacing the Gabriel voice lines with Diomedes is that the Brother Captain already uses them - one possible way to deal with this would be to remove the GK from the game. Just a suggestion.

Or we could just give OM the Gabriel lines like before? It would be kind of interesting in the way that OM would be the whole cool-sounding older brother whereas SM would be the "U HAVE CAPTIN DIOUHMEHDES!" spaz little brother

Is there anything that prevents you (copyright wise) from using Vannilla DOW2's Gab as a replacement for dio? the tone is slightly different. A couple of shuffling between the lines and presto, you have a different and not retarded sounding FC.

Unless there's an Alfa Legion operative within the team...

Frankly, I'm just more surprised this discussion went towards voice lines and portraits rather than actual gameplay changes :X

Idk is the short answer, I imagine if we could use the Angelos lines we could probably use the Hairgel lines.

Give gabriels pathetic voicelines to bc and return fc old Diomedes voicelines.

Shroom wrote:you already got veterans of aestas though

But thats shit...

Ban whoever suggests such filth

Also move sternguard to T3 and buff their dps/range? They're pretty meh when tacs already have good I/HI damage and can get missile launchers for just 10 more power if AV is needed, or flamer/plasma without damage reduction with model loss since it's one single model with the weapon.

CPM overtime damage back to hewy, or powermile. Mile damage it's ridiculous. CPM now slow and (not sou) fat khorn csm, which minor ability.

Make special attacks do the same damage type as their normal attack

remove tracking special from deff dread

Son of Malice wrote:Give gabriels pathetic voicelines to bc and return fc old Diomedes voicelines.

Dis +1

Black Relic wrote:Make a Blood Ravens Elite scheme. And the Fc for them will be gabriel!!

If you want i can do it! There are some armors in the game that should easily help with the Scheme. No need for new models for the armor.

Dis +1

And I have some serious problems with IST. Their grenades and their barrage are impossible to dodge. Literally impossible. Can you make barrage as fast as Heretic barrage and grenade speed same with Scout grenades?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you've misunderstood what I'm saying here. I've been talking about what is essentially a research stream. A lot of what I'm hearing here is mostly cosmetic. There's really nothing to "test" there.

egewithin wrote:And I have some serious problems with IST. Their grenades and their barrage are impossible to dodge. Literally impossible. Can you make barrage as fast as Heretic barrage and grenade speed same with Scout grenades?

The 2.6.1 GL barrage is basically the exact same as the tic barrage, and the patch has only fixed the regular attack. But sure, I can add a timer to the IST nades.

Can you add an invulnerable action to the assault marine sergeant when he is performing merciless strike? One where he does still take damage but doesn't die when trying to perform the ability. Too often have or lost ASm due to merciless strike not going off because the squad stands still when the serg is using the ability to have the serg die, the ability never going off then the ASM standing around licking each other balls and after a second then notices their getting a power blade shoved up their ass killing them.

So please add invul action to ASM serg please. He can die after he gets the ability off. But let him get the ability off.

Black Relic wrote:Can you add an invulnerable action to the assault marine sergeant when he is performing merciless strike? One where he does still take damage but doesn't die when trying to perform the ability. Too often have or lost ASm due to merciless strike not going off because the squad stands still when the serg is using the ability to have the serg die, the ability never going off then the ASM standing around licking each other balls and after a second then notices their getting a power blade shoved up their ass killing them.

So please add invul action to ASM serg please. He can die after he gets the ability off. But let him get the ability off.

I like this idea. +1

Can we have the Emperors Children Elite skin? I heard that you have one of those.

giving the swarmlord Synapse Backlash always found it odd that the swarmlord never had synapse backlash also I no I ask this of you but try and find a way to stop the setup team crew from running at the thing they shoot at, their something that stop Scouts with their bolter to stop moving maybe use this on set up teams

Is this test stream still a thing or is the idea dead now?

1. Remove GK. (To have fully functioning character selection screen)

2. Revert Dire Avengers back to Guardians. (DA models looks pretty meh imo, and selecting DA's only for them to say "guardians ready!" or w/e even more meh. What was the initial reasoning to change guardians to Dire Avengers anyway?)

3. Revert FC back to the retail FC model, only replace Diomedes buttface with Gabriel's head. (Elite FC with that bionic eye and disgustingly meshed cape looks bad.)

4. Change Banshee Exarch back to the helmet-less version. (exarch without helm was one of the better models relic was able to make imo, while the meshes on the helmet's head make me want to puke whenever I look at it.)

Shroom wrote:Is this test stream still a thing or is the idea dead now?

1. Remove GK. (To have fully functioning character selection screen)

2. Revert Dire Avengers back to Guardians. (DA models looks pretty meh imo, and selecting DA's only for them to say "guardians ready!" or w/e even more meh. What was the initial reasoning to change guardians to Dire Avengers anyway?)

3. Revert FC back to the retail FC model, only replace Diomedes buttface with Gabriel's head. (Elite FC with that bionic eye and disgustingly meshed cape looks bad.)

4. Change Banshee Exarch back to the helmet-less version. (exarch without helm was one of the better models relic was able to make imo, while the meshes on the helmet's head make me want to puke whenever I look at it.)

This is a pretty textbook example of my earlier point. You people seem to have completely missed the point or just did not really understand the original post

A vast majority of the suggestions that came in here are simply cosmetic. There's nothing that actually needs to be tested there, unless you're asking me to verify if it would work in-game. I think we all know the answer to this. What I was talking about researching was actual balance changes. Ones that might even be very radical. Since 2.7 is coming up, I was wondering if anybody just wanted to see if maybe their pet balance suggestion would not be that crazy in-game.

I can still put up a stream with the stuff here, but it's just going to be a very short one.

Atlas wrote:actual balance changes.

Surely removing GK is a balance change?

How to make Elite Mod great again:

1 - Remove GK

2 - Remove Offensive Commanders

3 - Remove Garrisons

Shroom wrote:

Atlas wrote:actual balance changes.

Surely removing GK is a balance change?

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Shroom wrote:1. Remove GK. (To have fully functioning character selection screen)

Was not the reason you wrote though

So yeah, I guess I'll call it there.