Dawn of War Codex

Hello, I am Ashiraya.

I am working on my own Dawn of War II: Retribution mod (I have not been able to find a nifty name for it yet, though) that can be found here. Currently it is based on vanilla DoWII, but Elite has many features I like. So I have come to ask two things. Is it okay if I base my mod on Elite and work from there, (That is, with the new units etc.) naturally crediting appropriately?

My second question is, is there a reasonably non-bugged version of Elite available that I can use? I checked both the two latest beta builds and the latest stable version, and both are bugged as feth, what with every GK unit being named things like 'Death Guard (pre-heresy) or '<Random numbers> No Range'. It'd be much easier if there was a somewhat less bugged version that I could work with.

No, that bug is not caused by Elite directly, that is because you have double UCS files conflicting in one mod (probably from your own as it happens). When playing Elite remove the other UCS file from other mods and this "bug" will disappear.

The mod is not extremely buggy, the main problem is the Vindicare Assassin, but hopefully 2.3 sorts that.

Thank you, I entirely forgot about the UCS files!

You will see an immeadiate difference, such as actual names.

I will probably delete my mod entirely and start from scratch using Elite as the basis- a fethload of work but I always do things from the ground up.

That should fix the UCS, at least.

Still waiting on permission, though.

You would be better off contacting Caeltos directly. These forums are very active and I'd be astounded if Caeltos/Lulgrim went through all of the threads.

No worries, I'm here. I check all the threads. Eventho I don't neccassarily respond to all of them.

For me, I have no problems - just give credit to the people where it's due.

good guy caeltos

D.J wrote:good guy caeltos

Maybe too good.

I don't see how much damage could be caused. If it is caused, well, they would have to answer to five and a half thousand people. Happy times.

Exchanges are good.
Asking for some models/help/tips between modders is good.
Healthy relationships between communities can only bring benefits.

But base a mod on the entire work of another team seems just wrong to me.

Of course i don't have any rights in this matter nor my word means anything, but still... I don't like it.

ChrisNihilus wrote:Exchanges are good.
Asking for some models/help/tips between modders is good.
Healthy relationships between communities can only bring benefits.

But base a mod on the entire work of another team seems just wrong to me.

Of course i don't have any rights in this matter nor my word means anything, but still... I don't like it.

Well, we have no indication of what manner of mod is being developed, or to what extent the developer plans on making further modifications. Where the modder makes appropriate acknowledgements, s'all good in my books - even if the additions are minimal, people will know what the unique, original work was and what was the work of another team.

As for the 'entire work' part, I see it as a similar situation to a developer taking a community bugfix mod as a starting template. ELITE, in my eyes, is the optimal version of retribution available, and I can see why it would be desirable to use it as a starting point.

Caeltos wrote:No worries, I'm here. I check all the threads. Eventho I don't neccassarily respond to all of them.

For me, I have no problems - just give credit to the people where it's due.

Thank you, messere.
I will get to work immediately- do not worry, credit will be given.

ChrisNihilus wrote:

D.J wrote:good guy caeltos

Maybe too good.

Well, I can see your worries, but effectively the only change between my current mod and the one I will base on Elite instead is that the latter will contain Elite's content instead of just vanillla Retri content- the units and maps that is.

I could just grab each unit individually and add them to my mod but it'd be a lot more work for no actual visible change in the mod. I am asking for permission just to be sure.