Who the hell would win in a fight between the chaos champs?

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Who the hell would win in a fight between the chaos champs?

Postby Superhooper01 » Mon 22 Dec, 2014 7:10 am

OK guys something is bugging me, we all know that the heroes,antihero's and main characters of the war-hammer universe wield powers beyond mortal comprehension and can destroy whole armies, be reborn and be a one man army etc. The thing bugging me is at some point the chaos gods have got into a fight over something and i was wondering who the hell would win out of Khârn the Betrayer, Typhus the Traveler, Lucius the Eternal, and Sorcerer Ahriman the exile.

Lets start with Kharn:"I have slain many enemies, and won many battles and I tell you there is no great secret to success in war, no subtle trick of strategy that has saved my foes -- I seek out the enemy, attack as soon as I am able and with all the force at my command, rend his soldiers and smash his fortresses, leave only corpses behind me and then move on -- thus my Primarch has taught me, and I find his wisdom has proved worthy on a hundred battlefields."

The guy is a complete blood-thirty machine who can lay waste with his chain-axes and due to the butchers nail he has no sense of fear and danger allowing him to master his power and face down whoever gets in his way. He has claimed skulls and blood beyond counting and as even been on the brink of death at the battle of Terra only to come back when the fellow captains destroyed one another over who should take his place.
Whether Khorne himself breathed life back into the Berserker's body or whether the relentless clamor of battle revived his blood-lusting spirit remains a mystery, but since the end of the Heresy, Khârn has survived the bloodiest battles across ten millennium and has never come so close to death again.
Khârn vowed that the Sons of Angron would never again know defeat, for he would not allow it. Their foes would fall, or they would offer themselves to Khorne in their stead.

See what i mean can he even be killed? he may not wield physic powers or be a abnormal sm but im guessing being khorne's avatar has a few boons:p such as:
"Khârn is the most favored mortal servant of Khorne, and is accordingly granted protection against witchery by his patron. Such is Khorne's contempt for "witching tricksters" that psykers will find their power nullified when attempting to target Khârn, and Force Weapons will not function should they manage to score a hit upon the frenzied Khornate Berzerker" wow:O
I feel that as far as brute strength and raw power goes, Kharn stands above the every champs (or maybe not)

Typhus the Traveller :"Look upon me and know that I can slay you at will. You have no defense save one: to look into the darkness at the back of your own mind. There, you will find Father Nurgle waiting to offer you life in return for your submission. Deny him, and you are mine."

Now here is a guy who is literally death incarnate,before u could even get into attack range or up close to cleave the guy u would drop dead from Destroyer Plague and Nurgle's Rot, the perfect plagues of Nurgle. I'm pretty sure they are potent enough to rot the Armour, melt plating and corrode breathers stopping his foes ability to try and refrain from shutting out the foul pestilence and ensuring they embrace death.
I feel that the 3 ever chosen champs would have some sort of warp immunity to the plagues but even if that were the case typhus is clad in terminator Armour and wields a massive Man-reaper and several ever pieces of war-gear making him a truly monstrous foe to face. while he generally does not engage as much as Kharn due to him commanding the plague fleets he has a reputation of being a unstoppable juggernaut making him a strong contender for victory vs the ever champs. Also he is a psyker so he may have some more tricks up his gauntlets.

Lucius the Eternal:
"Brothers! Welcome to the feast! Tell me, which among you will be the first course?"

This guy generally freaked me out when i was a young as his appearance is some1 disturbing with his whip and scared face grinning at u. Lucius is basically one of the best duelists alive (or whatever he is) his speed and skill have been honed since the great crusade where he was a giant ass who was behold prideful but was such for a good reason. So as u face him in battle u will prob's be cut down without a few swings as was Loken in the Horus heresy books. (not killed just humiliated)

But lets say one of the champs above had to fight to the death with him and lets say that after hours of combat they overcome his swordsmanship and deliver the killing blow and cut of his head etc. Should be over right?...
Wrong Lucius has been blessed by Slaanesh so that when he is slain, no easy task in itself, his killer will eventually transform into Lucius if he takes any pleasure or satisfaction from the killing.

So basically in order to beat him u need to not enjoy it or take any sort of comfort,pleasure,satisfaction or any human emotion. Now Kharn will do all those things so thats not good for him and Typhus takes great pleasure in killing so this does not bode well for them. pretty sure both would lose when it came to swordsmanship anyway as Kharn doesn't really fight with skill more like savagery and Typhus would be to slow with his swings to land a blow. If Nurgle and Khorne are able to grand a boon to their avatars that prevents them from changing into Lucius then they make have a chance i mean they good cut of his hands maybe and maim him (something Kharn would be able to do)

Ahriman:
"We are the Red Sorcerers of Prospero, damned in the eyes of our fellows, and this is to be how our story ends, in betrayal and bloodshed. No...you may find it nobler to suffer your fate, but I will take arms against it."

Ahriman has become one of the most powerful sorcerers in existence and his power only increases with time. His knowledge and power come from before the great crusade to know but also from countless books,lore,unholy bargains and more as he is tasked to know all by Malagus the red as punishment for his ritual that turned is csm into dust (living dust,well sort of).

He could unleash countless spells and his foes summing fire,lighting (elements) demons, and raw warp energy etc to blast him foes to dust. While not one for close combat he can hold his own with his staff as the wiki says:
Ahriman is a true master of sorcery and one of the most powerful psykers in the galaxy. His knowledge of the dark arts is rivaled only by the Greater Daemons of his patron Chaos God, the terrible Lords of Change. In addition to the multitude of Chaotic psychic powers he can call upon, Ahriman is armed with the Black Staff of Ahriman; an ornate Force Weapon which provides a potent focus for his psychic energy. He also carries an enchanted Bolt Pistol that fires powerful Inferno Rounds similar to the weapons used by the Chaos Space Marines of his Thousand Sons war-band.

Now if the fellow champs are able to get close then its over as the chaos champs above are some of the deadliest csm alive,however its getting close to kill as Ahriman will cast countless spells to blast them apart so if Kharn is immune to sorcery then he should be able but Ahriman is far more than your average sorc so will have a answer for this im guessing. Its the same any foe that faces him if hes able to cast spells and block them from closing the gap to kill him then he should be able to win. That being said nothing is every that easy in war-hammer:p

Think i summed them all up nicely let me know what u guys think and seeing as i wrote this i think all of them have a chance of victory just depends on the rules of war-hammer with the certain powers etc working on one another etc.
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Re: Who the hell would win in a fight between the chaos cham

Postby Indrid » Mon 22 Dec, 2014 3:33 pm

Ahriman kills them all before they can get close.

In a close combat fight I'd say Lucius since he's a master swordsman, assuming he can survive the Destroyer Hive long enough to take down Typhus.

Kharn is a berserker so Lucius I think could take him with technique.

Kharn vs Typhus would be close. Can Kharn withstand the Destroyer Hive and hack through Typhus' armour? Even if he did, how do you kill a Champion of Nurgle? Take his head off, I guess.
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Postby Swift » Mon 22 Dec, 2014 5:08 pm

Toughy, but my bets are on Ahriman too. He just knows things, and those things are bad things.
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Re: Who the hell would win in a fight between the chaos cham

Postby Torpid » Mon 22 Dec, 2014 5:51 pm

Swiftsabre wrote:He just knows things, and those things are bad things.


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Re: Who the hell would win in a fight between the chaos cham

Postby Superhooper01 » Mon 22 Dec, 2014 6:52 pm

Hm interesting to see, me and Osinski had a pretty cool chat about this topic and his money was on Lucius as if u kill him he takes over your body but i think Ahriman would prob's know away around that. We sort of agreed that all these guys are important enough or have had a percentage of power given to them to have their gods bring them back to life but thats not the points its who would win if they were thrown into a arena together:p
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Re: Who the hell would win in a fight between the chaos cham

Postby Torpid » Mon 22 Dec, 2014 6:57 pm

If all four were thrown into an arena together, just from reading this, I imagine the nurgle buddy would be last to die just because he's practically impossible to kill, the khorne guy the first to die because everyone else would collude to kill him, then the slaanesh guy because he's next in line for being too powerful to let live, then the tzeentch guy finds a way to escape and the nurgle is left standing there laughing at himself. I know nothing about the lore of these specific characters outside of this thread though :P
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Re: Who the hell would win in a fight between the chaos cham

Postby Swift » Mon 22 Dec, 2014 11:13 pm

Torpid wrote:If all four were thrown into an arena together, just from reading this, I imagine the nurgle buddy would be last to die just because he's practically impossible to kill, the khorne guy the first to die because everyone else would collude to kill him, then the slaanesh guy because he's next in line for being too powerful to let live, then the tzeentch guy finds a way to escape and the nurgle is left standing there laughing at himself. I know nothing about the lore of these specific characters outside of this thread though :P

I always took you for knowing a decent amount of the lore.
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Re: Who the hell would win in a fight between the chaos cham

Postby Torpid » Mon 22 Dec, 2014 11:15 pm

I know the broad characteristics of each of the races and have read pretty much all of lexicanum, however I haven't read any of the separate fictional pieces themselves or any non-canon things or basically anything other than lexi/online forums so I certainly aren't aware of the in-depth intricacies of these particular characters.
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Postby Black Relic » Thu 30 Apr, 2015 5:06 pm

"...With every strike of his sword, with every word of his speech, does he reaffirm the ideals of our honored master..." -From the Teachings of Roboute Guilliman as laid down in the Apocrypha of Skaros. Space Marines Codex pg. 54
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Re: Who the hell would win in a fight between the chaos cham

Postby MaxPower » Fri 01 May, 2015 12:11 am

The Emperor would win.

On a more serious note: where is Abaddon the Despoiler cause he would prolly kick all of them champs for yours in the arse?
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Re: Who the hell would win in a fight between the chaos cham

Postby Superhooper01 » Mon 04 May, 2015 7:47 pm

Well max abandon is chaos undivided so he wouldn't really be completed to take part, but if he did i believe he is currently the strongest space marine in existence currently. Ofc not including primarchs or gods etc but yeah figure he would have a pretty solid chance
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Re: Who the hell would win in a fight between the chaos cham

Postby Swift » Mon 04 May, 2015 9:01 pm

Superhooper01 wrote:pretty solid chance

Abaddon = pretty solid

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The guy made all the gods agree, can't really go far wrong there.
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Re: Who the hell would win in a fight between the chaos cham

Postby Superhooper01 » Tue 05 May, 2015 4:31 pm

Very true swift however abandon has attracted the attention of Be'lakor which never ends well :o
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Postby Swift » Tue 05 May, 2015 9:49 pm

Superhooper01 wrote:Very true swift however abandon has attracted the attention of Be'lakor which never ends well :o

Yeah well Be'lakor is an ommitted model who also appears in fantasy, clearly he's a tad skittish.
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