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Re: Idea for Commissar Global
Posted: Wed 17 Jul, 2013 4:44 pm
by Torpid
Lost Son of Nikhel wrote:Not sure, but with the Catachan's change (the squad have more models than in retail) with the adequate support LTTE on them could be... interesting to see
The global is fine, albeit very niche. It wouldn't work on cats though due to how bd their ranged damage is atm. 20dps piercing seems great at first, but their low range kinda negates that + they don't lose models easily.
Re: Idea for Commissar Global
Posted: Wed 17 Jul, 2013 4:48 pm
by Lag
Lost Son of Nikhel wrote:After reading 3 pages, I still don't understand why people is complaining about Loyal to the end (besides its visual effect its the same as Lead by Example)
Because a 25% hp and damage increase per Guardsmen lost for only 125 red (and more when the Guardsmen with Commisar + Sargent are cheap as fuck) it's simply awesome. The only similar thing to LTTE it's the Chaos Lord's Bloodlust, which is more expensive and its effect grows more slowly than the LTTE buff.
Not sure, but with the Catachan's change (the squad have more models than in retail) with the adequate support LTTE on them could be... interesting to see
Based on the last paragraph I will assume you have used this ability 0 times at most. Give it a few more go's and come back to share your experiences with us.
It's one thing how something works in theory, another how it really plays out.
Re: Idea for Commissar Global
Posted: Wed 17 Jul, 2013 5:17 pm
by Dark Riku
That Torpid Gamer wrote:The global is fine, albeit very niche. It wouldn't work on cats though due to how bd their ranged damage is atm. 20dps piercing seems great at first, but their low range kinda negates that + they don't lose models easily.
First of all Catachan ranged damage is very high. Yes they need to be close by.
Lemme get this straight.
You are actually complaining about them not dropping models fast from the IG perspective? :p Cuz a lot of other people would like to see that changed too.
Re: Idea for Commissar Global
Posted: Wed 17 Jul, 2013 5:21 pm
by Torpid
Dark Riku wrote:That Torpid Gamer wrote:The global is fine, albeit very niche. It wouldn't work on cats though due to how bd their ranged damage is atm. 20dps piercing seems great at first, but their low range kinda negates that + they don't lose models easily.
First of all Catachan ranged damage is very high. Yes they need to be close by.
Lemme get this straight.
You are actually complaining about them not dropping models fast from the IG perspective? :p Cuz a lot of other people would like to see that changed too.
Don't get me wrong, their damage IS very high. 17dps from cats compared to 4dps on GM
. I'm not complaining about cats though, what I meant was their ranged function is bad for this ability, although their dps is really nice considering how early you get them, the fact that they don't bleed just means that LTTE and cats don't work together.
Also, no way should cats have their model system changed. I stand by that 100%.
Re: Idea for Commissar Global
Posted: Wed 17 Jul, 2013 6:23 pm
by Dark Riku
Try it on catas in melee. Combined with LC shenanigans. It's crazy
Re: Idea for Commissar Global
Posted: Wed 17 Jul, 2013 6:50 pm
by Torpid
I was playing retail yesterday and some poor fool went assault termies instead of ranged termies against my IG. Suffice to say catachans + execute + lead by example = dead termies. Then comes elite with its ridiculous bionic eye and then LTTE. Sounds pretty effective.
Re: Idea for Commissar Global
Posted: Wed 17 Jul, 2013 8:06 pm
by Lag
Bionic Eye is nerfed in Elite AFAIK. Units take knockback while they are under the effect.
Re: Idea for Commissar Global
Posted: Wed 17 Jul, 2013 8:41 pm
by Torpid
Lag wrote:Bionic Eye is nerfed in Elite AFAIK. Units take knockback while they are under the effect.
I don't believe they do, although it may allow KB, while granting immunity to suppression and a speed buff+heal, which IMO is far better on units like ogryns who will then be moving at like speed 10 doing 310dps as a squad of heavy melee.
Re: Idea for Commissar Global
Posted: Wed 17 Jul, 2013 9:28 pm
by Lag
Dark Riku wrote:Try it on catas in melee. Combined with LC shenanigans. It's crazy
Try it out, let me know how it works.
Re: Idea for Commissar Global
Posted: Wed 17 Jul, 2013 11:44 pm
by Dark Riku
Lag wrote:Dark Riku wrote:Try it on catas in melee. Combined with LC shenanigans. It's crazy
Try it out, let me know how it works.
I already did... and it's perfect.
I was suggesting it to Torpid.
Re: Idea for Commissar Global
Posted: Wed 17 Jul, 2013 11:54 pm
by Lag
Sigh... If you say so.
Re: Idea for Commissar Global
Posted: Thu 18 Jul, 2013 1:02 pm
by Helios
Dark Riku wrote:Lag wrote:Dark Riku wrote:Try it on catas in melee. Combined with LC shenanigans. It's crazy
Try it out, let me know how it works.
I already did... and it's perfect.
I was suggesting it to Torpid.
How about you explain in a bit more detail what happened? Or if you happen to have a replay that would make things even easier.