Dawn of War Codex

Orkfaeller wrote:My biggest "problem" with the whole situation is propably that it just goes so much against the basic Tyranid design: ---> No Squadleaders and/or Special Weapons Members.


Might be a minor thing, but it takes away a bit from the uniqueness.

I totally agree, that's why i rather see something like a endless swarm lvl2 rather than warrior sarges.

I'm just curious, I've only faced T3 nid squadleaders in one game. do the squad leaders share damage with their little minions or can they get killed?

They can die regularly and don't share damage, but have so much more HP than the other models that they usually die last.

And are positioned in the back of the squad...

Dark Riku wrote:And are positioned in the back of the squad...

when i tried using them they seem to be always up front.

by design they will hang in the back of the group by quite a ways until actual combat, then they will move with the rest of the group.

Ok, so now in beta 5 they are still bonkers OP for the same reason already stated.
Gives the squads way too much increase in everything without any drawbacks.
I killed a full health chaos dreadnought with 2 upgraded termas and a warrior brood.
This should not be possible :/

The leaders providing basic synapse is fine. They should not however give so much more utility. As in the AV for both and the melee kb leap for the hormas leader.

Melee or Ranged Dread?

Irrelevant really, just giving their basic infantry squads such durability and AV capabilities is too good. Typically units in this game either do good damage to vehicles or no damage, with the exception of melee units. With these leader upgrades the entire tyranid army does AV, how are you meant to tie that up? Add in the DOM (who is still OP due to his crazy life drain)and now SHI is useless alongside artillery/suppression platforms.

I almost lost an AC Dread to two Terma Squads today, did not suprise it would get that close. Its just so many bloody models^^

But I'm really not good enough to name something OP.

Orkfaeller wrote:I almost lost an AC Dread to two Terma Squads today, did not suprise it would get that close. Its just so many bloody models^^

But I'm really not good enough to name something OP.

It's not the number of models it's almost purely the leaders, the normal guys do negligible dmg to vehicles.

yeah no, I understand that. Its just that you cant really hope on picking out
those warrior leaders out of that sea of targets. Also all those Termas add suprisingly up the damage, I'm convinced they would have chewed through my last 70 or so HP in no time on their own if my reinforcements didnt came just in time.

How are the bugeyes so killy with only 1 AV model per squad? I wouldn't be super scared of a 2/3 Venom Brood if I had a full health Dread.

Because you can't tie them up. They can kite you and in combination with some melee AV or a venom brood it's just impossible to stop all the AV. Furthermore it's very hard to actually kill the warrior members because all the other gaunts soak up so much damage for them, but that isn't even a trade-off due to endless swarm making them practically free.

Lulgrim wrote:How are the bugeyes so killy with only 1 AV model per squad? I wouldn't be super scared of a 2/3 Venom Brood if I had a full health Dread.

Then you shouldn't be worried about 2 missile launchers either, instead of changing the wep on tacts can the purchased weapons add models with the relative weapon

just tried terma warrior upgrades. I think they're fine now, i actually rather go for a venon brood squad than those guys again, as it should be

I still think those t3 warriors upgrades should be replaced with something else tho

I agree, the current upgrade seem rather pointless now, regular synapse is kinda meh late game.

It isn't regular synapse that it provides, it provides ranged/melee synapse to the entire squad while simultaneously making the squad MEGA durable and preventing bleed (due to the leader having so much hp on top of the rest of the squad + endless swarm) and grants every single unit in your entire army with some AV capabilities.

What no.

That Torpid Gamer wrote:It isn't regular synapse that it provides, it provides ranged/melee synapse to the entire squad while ....

It provides basic synapse since beta5. But yeah. The rest of the post stands.

That Torpid Gamer wrote:It isn't regular synapse that it provides, it provides ranged/melee synapse to the entire squad while simultaneously making the squad MEGA durable and preventing bleed (due to the leader having so much hp on top of the rest of the squad + endless swarm) and grants every single unit in your entire army with some AV capabilities.

Err, i do agree the t3 warrior upgrade is completely out of concept for nids and it really does more harm than good. But "OMGWTF nids don't bleed no more and they are MEGA DURABLE DUUURRRR" is exaggeration. basic + specialized synapse were already in the game before just not built in each squad. It just adds that one warrior with ~500 hp

Hormagaunts at lv 4 with their leader has 3k hp -_-

That's a squad that costs like 13 pop, like what, 3k hp???

And every squad is that durable and hardly loses any models and when they do the models cost 8req, and every single squad they have does AV. Does it sound broken yet, trust me, I've used it, it's very broken, and in Tex's balance thread I post replays to support this, but honestly, you can take my word for it, I play nids very often, I'm not being biased AGAINST nids, it's genuinely OP.

Bahamut wrote:one warrior with ~500 hp

350 hp

That Torpid Gamer wrote:Hormagaunts at lv 4 with their leader has 3k hp -_-

That's a squad that costs like 13 pop, like what, 3k hp???

And every squad is that durable and hardly loses any models and when they do the models cost 8req, and every single squad they have does AV. Does it sound broken yet, trust me, I've used it, it's very broken, and in Tex's balance thread I post replays to support this, but honestly, you can take my word for it, I play nids very often, I'm not being biased AGAINST nids, it's genuinely OP.

Never forget to mentition 2:1 reinforce aswell as usually bugging out and having the squad on 200 hp with 8/11 models.

It was 2.4k hp for hormas with warriors and only cause the warrior was giving melee sypanse, now is like 1.7k hp at lvl 4 which yes it was freaking OP and still is conceptually bad i've said it many times already

But hopefully the same argument can also be applied to sluggas, which can get to almost 2.5k hp at lvl 4 as well

They don't get synapse bonuses or 2 to 1 reinforce or leader in the back of the squad or AV damage and/or having a passive knockback at the start of the melee fight.

how do sluggas get 2.5k health? their health curve is very similar to banshees and should cap out about 1.5k at lvl 4 with nob.

is 1.95k at lvl 4 on their own, ~2.3k with boss banner

yeah, well horms get 3k with hp synapse from HT and fully upgraded lv 4 + everything riku said.

That Torpid Gamer wrote:yeah, well horms get 3k with hp synapse from HT and fully upgraded lv 4 + everything riku said.

Or just warrior's melee synapse