On massive tilt: what do people find helps them?

[Cheah18]

So i'm in a massive tilt phase atm... I think its because I've been *trying* to develop my game to quickly and my brain can't handle all the re-writing and new info. Dropping basics all over the place line a n00b. I've definitely experienced this effect in my poker 'career'.

Kinda just looking for advice on how people settle down and collect themselves if they've gone through similar stuff both in DoWII and other pursuits. Don't really want to take a break so much as I enjoy playing, but that can help.

[Cheekie Monkie]

What do you mean by a tilt phase?

[Cheah18]

Good point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt_%28poker%29

[Wise Windu]

I'd say take a break. It doesn't have to be a long one, maybe even just a day where you stop to think about what you need to do to improve instead of constantly grinding out games. And maybe watch some of your replays to go along with it if you feel up to that.

Not sure exactly what process you've been through to get to your 'tilted' state of mind, but I had a similar thing happen when I played SC2. That game can be incredibly frustrating, and every once in a while, I'd get stuck in a loop where I'd assume I knew what to change, go into a game and not actually change it because I went into auto-pilot instead of thinking about what I was doing. So I stopped playing for a couple days and occasionally just thought about the strategy for whichever match-up I was having trouble with. And then when I came back, my head was a bit clearer, and I was able to advance from my league after a couple days, hooray

[Torpid]

Alternatively if you need a DOW fix still you could go do retail 1v1, if you play IG there I assure you it will help your micro as you must deal with lots of cheesy things such plague marines and set-up team spams solely with your sentinels and catachans - two micro intensive units.

It will be a change of pace too, you will experience new playstyles, builds and maps as well as new players and you get motivation from the leaderboards (even though realistically they are meaningless trolololol).

[Cheah18]

This is very helpful, hadn't thought of replays and retail as a means of helping this (retail therapy lololololol).Cheers gaiizzze

Since you raised it, the reason I'm here is because of having zero answer for Apo and PC. Then Torpid gave me some good suggestions with PC, which was good, but at this present moment my brain has worked hard getting to grips with that and it is tough to juggle with strategies for other races and heroes.

[Nurland]

Yeah. Taking a day or two off usually works for me. A small breather. I have a tendency to get frustrated when playing 1v1 and I make bad plays and I play bad when I am frustrated so taking a breather or going retail (try to play the retail just for luls. most players are pretty horrible but they go for the maximum cheese with no shame)

[Swift]

I'm absolutely rubbish at 1v1 and losing a few games on DoW for some reason (because it never happens in other games) I get really pissed off and lose all sense, blaming everyone involved except me because apparently I cannot make mistakes

When I need to calm down I will leave the game a bit and play something stupid like some silly shooter or CoH 2 ladder where I can guarantee some cheeky OKW wins.

[Caeltos]

Taking a break is the worst thing you can do if you want to improve your game. You'll just come back and be more rusty.

What I'd suggest is just go into a more "overview" watch of the game. You can still get better by watching replays, play the game with a more nonsensical manner (as in, deliberately just go in with the attitude to have FUN, and not to play to win. See that more of an added bonus)

alternatively, play the story - get more immersed in some manner, just don't zone yourself out from the game. It's like if a CS:GO player has a tilt, the last thing he'll do is take a break from the scene, because when he gets back, his aim will be worse, and so will his game-sense. You need to re-allocate or re-focus your perspective more.

That's my take, but it's abit of a perspective on other e-sport players view on the whole.

[Torpid]

play the game with a more nonsensical manner (as in, deliberately just go in with the attitude to have FUN, and not to play to win. See that more of an added bonus)

That's my take, but it's abit of a perspective on other e-sport players view on the whole.

I don't think e-sports players would agree with this. Everything I know about competitive sport would tell me otherwise and I disagree strongly. I have a personal policy to always try 100% regardless of who I am playing against, 100h noob, 10,000hour pro. It puts me in a good habit and ensures that I never get complacent with my play. I'm always optimal and that optimality very quickly becomes sub-conscious.

[Swift]

play the game with a more nonsensical manner (as in, deliberately just go in with the attitude to have FUN, and not to play to win. See that more of an added bonus)

That's my take, but it's abit of a perspective on other e-sport players view on the whole.

I don't think e-sports players would agree with this. Everything I know about competitive sport would tell me otherwise and I disagree strongly. I have a personal policy to always try 100% regardless of who I am playing against, 100h noob, 10,000hour pro. It puts me in a good habit and ensures that I never get complacent with my play. I'm always optimal and that optimality very quickly becomes sub-conscious.

I don't think that was the point, it wasn't an adjust your play accordingly message, Cael simply mean't that if you play for funn whoever you play you can enjoy the game.

[Caeltos]

play the game with a more nonsensical manner (as in, deliberately just go in with the attitude to have FUN, and not to play to win. See that more of an added bonus)

That's my take, but it's abit of a perspective on other e-sport players view on the whole.

I don't think e-sports players would agree with this. Everything I know about competitive sport would tell me otherwise and I disagree strongly. I have a personal policy to always try 100% regardless of who I am playing against, 100h noob, 10,000hour pro. It puts me in a good habit and ensures that I never get complacent with my play. I'm always optimal and that optimality very quickly becomes sub-conscious.

I'm quite into the e-sports scene. There's a glaring comparison between the different regions in how they handle burn-outs, and being on tilt. The western culture is still ways off from fully-commiting themselves to the game 100%. For an ex. of this, is that the korean players are even barried off from even having girlfriends until they accomplish something, for say - get 3rd/2nd/1st place in a tournament.

As a result of this, they commit more to the game, and generate better results. The west is more laid-back and relaxed (Albeit, this depends abit more on the genre, but let's take League of Legends for just a specific example), and I even believe Thoorin have agreed with me on this particular point.

Western = Marketing and $$$ potential
KR/CHINA/ASIAN in general = Improvement/Results

There's a reason why some teams decide to bootcamp in korea to steppen up their game. (This being SC2/LoL primarily tho, since the korean scene is relatively close to non-existant in FPS genre). It's quite questionable that alot of the top-tier teams from the NA/EU scene decide to stream (whilst this is more profitable way for the organization tho, and the player) they don't commit their time to improving at the game, which you would do most primarily whilst playing in a competetive enviroment, not bloody solo-q nonsense and all that alike.

The korean teams have sister-teams which they are able to scrim against, SAMSUNG BLUE/SAMSUNG WHITE, SKT SKTS etc - and all of these teams have better results in the game.

Gettin side-tracked, but the point is. Even if you're on a tilt and having a bad-phase, I wouldn't recommend going away from the game, not at all. I believe, and on a personal level when I was on a tilt, it's more important to recognize your faults, rather than try to back away from it and try to make things work at another point/day. Replays are a stress-free zone for you to recognize those faults, and can provide insight, and be fun to observe. Some players even have a pattern, which can help you to exploit them to your advantage, and we all know certain players love to stick to their one-trick pony builds until it's been broken down ,which results in changes in the game, and can universally change the overall metagame. This is what happends in every game, regardless of genre.

[Dalakh]

Alternatively if you're not having fun with the game stop playing it and don't come back to it.

[Torpid]

Alternatively if you're not having fun with the game stop playing it and don't come back to it.

You misunderstand, he has gave himself a goal in the game and thinks he would enjoy achieving the goal but he is currently not enjoying the path to the goal. Your solution would be apt if he didn't see any goal in the game at all that he would enjoy achieving and also disliked the path to any "goal".

[crazyman64335]

nobody's going to give the generic response......fine i'll be the bad guy here

call your opponent a unskilled bitch for using an op / broken tactic then leave the game and que up another game

(works for holyhammer right)

[Torpid]

nobody's going to give the generic response......fine i'll be the bad guy here

call your opponent a unskilled bitch for using an op / broken tactic then leave the game and que up another game

(works for holyhammer right)

That works when you're already good but it isn't very good for progression if you're a nubcake to start with

[PhatE]

In my experience in both competitive sports and competitive FPS there were benefits to not taking a break as well as taking one.

In the case of taking a break from something, I found that after a period of doing nothing related to the sport outside of maybe going running or dribbling a tennis ball rather than a soccer ball, as one example, after coming back I felt very refreshed and performed better. The same was the case for gymnastics. I could do certain moves on floor/highbar/P Bars/Rings/etc that I couldn't do before or had struggled doing for a long time. My instructor had seen it many times in his career as well that an athlete can take a break from the sport and perform better when they come back. However keep in mind these are breaks that don't span 6 months to a year. They are typically a month (really pushing it) or less (more typical i.e. 1 week). It's not a sure thing but it can help you get out of slumps or roadblocks. However, this is really only when you've been working at the craft for a long period of time and you just need a small something to take your mind off of what was giving you issue before so be sure to take this advice with a grain of salt.

I could also see benefits of when I used to be playing and competing in Counter Strike 1.6. My aim improved as well as my overall gameplay even without grinding out games.

On the other side of the argument, I can definitely see how taking a break for too long can affect your play style and overall skill as this has happened to me as well. One can become unfamiliar with the game or sport and they have to adapt more intensely than what they would have previously. In the case of SC2, the idea for the Koreans ever taking a break seems very unlikely. If they want to improve and achieve results then the approach is to practice, practice, practice. When your competition and chances of getting paid to be able to eat something else than beans becomes slimmer then taking a break isn't a feasible idea. Especially when your skill level flatlines and theirs increases. Any great music composer or player will undoubtedly have put in thousands of hours of practice into perfecting what they love to do.

I guess to sum it up. Continuously grinding games to keep up with the competition can be either very rewarding or incredibly depressing. Taking a break isn't a bad thing but it's up to you how long you take the break for. The longer it is the harder it could be *insert penis joke here* to really improve.

[Swift]

PhatE in a leotard is all I could imagine after that second paragraph.

[Nurland]

I started pleasuring myself the word "gymnastics".

On a more serious note I have noticed that when I feel i play like crap and I take a few days - week off, I usually feel like I play better. Frustration etc has washed away, I find it easier to stay focused and concentrated, stay calm and enjoy the game.

[Nurland]

Sometimes even a few hours can do the trick.