Apothecary Powaa Axe is not helpful

[egewithin]

Sanguine C.Sword : Gives you self heal so Apo can stay of the field much longer and decreases the risk to loose him.
Costimized Bolter : Keeps him out of danger.

Why? Because Apo is too fragile with good reasons. Axe however is not helpful at thi point. I don't care about its damage since it is pretty damm good and needs no damage buff. I love going berzerk with Sanguine on CSM. So; why do I think this Axe needs to be more helpful to Apo? What it should have?

I say a help about his health. Techmarine melee build has an energy shield and super cool durable armor for melee combat too for example. So he doesn't need to worry about his health as much as before. All other melee heroes has enough durability options apart from Apo. Other weapons of Apo are really good but Axe is not so helpful about this point. Nobody would ever accept a tanky armor for Apo so...

I think this weapon deserves a health buff like Plague Sword or the new future of the Ravener melee weapon. Or a health regen bonus? What can we have at this point? Lets talk about it.

[Ace of Swords]

axe + armor of purity + purification rites and ASM rapes HI enemy compositions quite well, it's also extremely useful against everything that needs energy to operate (like letters), it's also a good weapon (damage wise) to transition to later in the game once the chain sword doesn't cut it anymore even against normal infantry targets.

Axe is fine.

[egewithin]

It seems you haven't got the point of the post.

[Ace of Swords]

It seems you haven't got the point of the post.

I think you've missed the point of apo, he's not a melee hero nor should be a tanky one, he's supposed to heal and the axe gives you the chance of doing good damage + constantly spamming healing through the energy steal, it's fine as it is and has it's place just like the rest of his wargears.

Or to use your words, yes it's helpful.

[ShowMeMagik]

It seems you haven't got the point of the post.

I think I've missed the point. Ace was giving an opinion saying how the axe is good and what it works against. Pointing out its usefulness.

I thought the thread was to talk about the axe? Or is it to accept it is in need of buffs and just discuss options? Can you clarify what your looking for

[egewithin]

Can you clarify what your looking for

Yes, I can do that.

I was complaining about the risk of getting the Axe. Sanguine is a much better option since it keeps Apo on the field and does good damage even it is not a counter to HI armor. And I wrote in bold red that don't want any kind of damage buffs too. How can I be more clear than this ? !

And Ace came over and started to say like ; '' Oh you want a buff? But Apo can do these things with his army and stuff '' I mean what is the point of this? It is like saying '' Singing Spear needs a nerf because of Banshee combos '' And he even tryed to explain the weapon itself to me. '' It drains energy, good vs these. It has power melee, vs good at these ... '' Thank you so much Ace, I reeeeeeeally coulnd't figure out these. Did he thinked that I was going to say ; '' Oh, Apo is good with ASM ?!! Wow! Dind't know that! So, giving benefits to Axe is pointless it seems. '' He just made a bad post, I said it was a bad post and that is it.

And also, if Apo is not a melee hero ; why does he have a hard counter vs HI? Why does he even has 2 melee options? Even the Ravener Alpha (supposed to be a ranged hero) is pretty good in melee with the new patch, why do you forsake Apo, at least the Axe like that? I am not expecting a melee build like Techmarine, just to see Axe to be as helpful as the other two weapons, to keep him alive more.

I hope the rest of this community will be more useful than him and start to discuss something real about it.

[Nurland]

Ace pointed out the main things there. Apo is not meant to be a tanky melee brawler, he is your space nurse. Hence you can choose between dps and more energy for abilities or the tankiness sanguine provides.

The axe works especially well with ASM due to the KB heal spam. Or as a counter initiation tool against jump infantry.

Tech Marine for example is more of a damage dealer hero, hence he has more durability and higher dps options.

[ShowMeMagik]

Ace never said you wanted a buff he said that the axe does good damage and scales well. I guess this is the trade off for the lack of staying power. He also mentioned the other benefits. Surely this is in keeping with the discussion of whether or not it needs changing.

You then complain that he gives a specific example. That example is against HI, which could be from a number of factions. Again saying how the axe has its role in certain compositions. Sorry if I a misjudging you Ace, but I think that he is making an argument to say that it is fine and has its place in certain situation. The thing about your complaint is that in your original post you say you like , sorry love going beserk on CSM. So your example is much more specific.

You state that you are complaining about the risk of getting the ask, to me that implies that there is a trade off between the sustainability of the weapon and its benefits. So surely we should be able to discuss the benefits its already has, as Ace already is doing,or would ou prefer that we all just agree with you?

[Nurland]

As per Firstwithin's reguest, I am locking the topic.